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Old 09-26-12, 08:41 PM   #1
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If you are an American, do you put an article in front of hospital?

In this thread

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...jets-a-week-!-!

I noticed DannoXYZ did not but an article like an, a or the in front of hospital. I have always seen this by Europeans that speak English but I am noticing it more and more with American speakers. In the past, I pretty much have always heard an article used with hospital from Americans.


To me it sounds kind of strange. Rather than describing a place it seems to describe a condition.

But for some reason school does not strike me that way. I think it was rare if I have ever used an article before school.

We might say

"He is going to school".

now I guess

"He is going to hospital".


is acceptable.

So why don't we say something like.

"He is going to store"

?

Just some strange thoughts that keep me up at night.
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I worked with Danno a couple decades back- as far as I know, he's as American as me.

FWIW: I work in a hospital.
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I use them in front of hospital and university.

Here's an idea for tonight's deep thoughts:

Maths is plural for Brits but not us. (theirs makes sense cuz mathematics, right?)
Sports is plural for us but singular for Brits. Hmmmm
Oh, and drugs is plural for them more often, ie. they often say "drugs charges" and "drugs abuse" where as we typically say "drug charges" and "drug abuse.
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from Wiki:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_Bri...ich_is_correct

In some respects, British English is more subtle than American English, and this is an example. In British English, 'hospital' can mean a 'specific place' or it can mean an 'organisation'. For example, if I were to visit a particular hospital, then I would say "I am going to the hospital to visit my friend". But if I were to enter hospital for, say, treatment, then I would say that "I am going into hospital for an operation". In this sense, I mean that I am being 'hospitalised', and which hospital is irrelevant.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_Bri...#ixzz27dgkKtt1

OTOH, in recent years, I've noticed a prevalence of Americans dropping "to be".
I hear things like: " That machine needs fixed." or "My car needs waxed."
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I use them in front of hospital and university.
So do I but do you use them in front of school? I don't. Nor do I know anyone that does. So if we use them in front of university, why not school?
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After that other thread, I am never going to one of those places ever again, with or without the article.
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And Californians add "the" in front of numbers.

I'm taking "the" 405 to "the" 101 to "the" 5 to get home today. It sounds dumb to us easterners.
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And Californians add "the" in front of numbers.

I'm taking "the" 405 to "the" 101 to "the" 5 to get home today. It sounds dumb to us easterners.
Mostly Southern Californians *points at himself*.
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I use them in front of hospital and university.

Here's an idea for tonight's deep thoughts:

Maths is plural for Brits but not us. (theirs makes sense cuz mathematics, right?)
Sports is plural for us but singular for Brits. Hmmmm
Oh, and drugs is plural for them more often, ie. they often say "drugs charges" and "drugs abuse" where as we typically say "drug charges" and "drug abuse.
maybe Americans get busted for one drug at a time and the Brits are into multiplicity?
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It's a colloquialism and some people do say "He is going to store", but generally we do use the article.
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It's a colloquialism and some people do say "He is going to store", but generally we do use the article.
I used to say "in hospital" but that's the only example I can think of. What about "in country"?
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from Wiki:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_Bri...ich_is_correct

In some respects, British English is more subtle than American English, and this is an example. In British English, 'hospital' can mean a 'specific place' or it can mean an 'organisation'. For example, if I were to visit a particular hospital, then I would say "I am going to the hospital to visit my friend". But if I were to enter hospital for, say, treatment, then I would say that "I am going into hospital for an operation". In this sense, I mean that I am being 'hospitalised', and which hospital is irrelevant.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_do_Bri...#ixzz27dgkKtt1

OTOH, in recent years, I've noticed a prevalence of Americans dropping "to be".
I hear things like: " That machine needs fixed." or "My car needs waxed."
Whoa, who are you hearing that from... young folks that speak in text speak or what?
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And Californians add "the" in front of numbers.

I'm taking "the" 405 to "the" 101 to "the" 5 to get home today. It sounds dumb to us easterners.
Those are the proper names of those freeways, so you are speaking of a specific place... similar to "the hospital." Few of our freeways in the west have names like "the Long Island expressway," they just have numbers. Caltrans has tried to change that by giving some roadways names, but they just don't seem to be catching on. The only one that seems to have stuck is "the San Diego freeway," which is the aforementioned 405.
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Whoa, who are you hearing that from... young folks that speak in text speak or what?
Damn kids are buggering the language.
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The hospital near our house has newspaper vending machines out in front. Is that how you put an article in front of a hospital?
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I read and article about butchering the language while sitting in front of a hospital. Does that count?
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I've never heard 'to hospital', only 'in hospital', I think of that as a Brit-icism but could be Canadian too for all I know. And for me it would be a hospital not an.
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And Californians add "the" in front of numbers.

I'm taking "the" 405 to "the" 101 to "the" 5 to get home today. It sounds dumb to us easterners.
When I was a kid in the south we just called I-95 "The Interstate", say that in a big city and people would be all "what Interstate, dammit?".

Down in Portland there are a few freeways and at least one of them isn't an interstate, so just "the" makes it easier. Much easier than saying Interstate 405, Interstate 84, State Highway 217, Interstate 5, State Highway 26.

We have had a couple of names stick, however. HWY 26 on the west side of town is called "The Sunset", Interstate 84 is called "The Banfield". Wonder if those uses of "The" weirds out Easterners.

Up here in Washington state, SR-14 is typically said just how it reads and HWY99 is typically said as if highway was spelled out, no "the" preceding.
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I've never heard anyone say "to hospital". That one's new to me.
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And Californians add "the" in front of numbers.

I'm taking "the" 405 to "the" 101 to "the" 5 to get home today. It sounds dumb to us easterners.
*raises hand*

I think it's because it's a substitute for freeway.

I'm taking the freeway home. ==> I'm taking the 405 home.
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Funny, I just read this article this morning: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19670686

I also thought of some words that get and don't receive the article in American english. We go 'to college' but go 'to THE university'. In British english it would be simply 'TO' either, but mainly they use university.
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I normally put "ya'll hold my beer and watch this!" before hospital, but I am a Texican, and thus might not be considered an American.
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I normally put "ya'll hold my beer and watch this!" before hospital, but I am a Texican, and thus might not be considered an American.
They do that in america too. Here in PA, we have been known to canoe class III rapids with an open beer. It is difficult to see in this picture, but Tim most definitely had an open beer sitting on his camping box when he pulled up to the island I was photographing from.

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