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    I'll settle for the robot car

    It ain't the flying car I was promised but it looks like the robot car is going to be real.
    http://journalstar.com/news/opinion/...766ec60fa.html

    "In August, Google's fleet of experimental cars logged its 300,000th mile on public roads. That followed Nevada's move in March to issue the first license for a self-driving car. As of September, Google's version of Stanley also was cleared to drive in California, the most populous U.S. state and one that historically sets the standard for how cars are built worldwide. Audi, BMW, Ford, General Motors, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen and Volvo all are designing or testing self-driving vehicles now"

    No more searching for parking, the car will let you off at the door and find its own parking.

    This means conversion vans are going to be cool again.

    And buy Google stock.
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    I'll take one if it comes with a communicator that looks like a watch and it answers to the name of 'KITT'.

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    This does not bode well for the Friday night red light drag race.

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    I suspect these will actually make biking safer. Driving in general should also improve once we hit a certain minimum threshold of these cars on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane View Post
    I suspect these will actually make biking safer. Driving in general should also improve once we hit a certain minimum threshold of these cars on the road.
    I think you are assuming the OS is not some sort of Windows environment.
    I'd hate to have BSOD while going 70 mph down I85.

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    This can only end badly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane View Post
    I suspect these will actually make biking safer. Driving in general should also improve once we hit a certain minimum threshold of these cars on the road.
    The more computer parts they have, the more likely they are to fail. Can the software compensate for inclement weather conditions?

    People will not be paying attention to the road at all, they will depend on the car completely. Sometimes the best way to avoid a hazard is because you can see it 200 yards ahead of you and not wait until the last minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Blight View Post
    This can only end badly.
    indeed

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    We let the computers fly airplanes almost autonomously (autoland? autopilot? FADEC? Remember flight engineers and navigators and flying by the seat of your pants? History in a lot of cases!), why not let them drive cars too?
    I still agree with NotSo_FastLane that they'll be more attentive than most drivers to cyclists and pedestrians.

    Also, Google's car hasn't run me over yet and I believe I have shared the road with it before.
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    I've seen a few of them on the freeways around here (San Jose area). If everyone had one, there would certainly be fewer traffic delays.

    The first I had heard about them was the video I saw a while back about a blind man driving down in Gilroy. That's got to be a scary sight - seeing a man with a red & white cane get into the driver's seat of a vehicle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisM2097 View Post
    I've seen a few of them on the freeways around here (San Jose area). If everyone had one, there would certainly be fewer traffic delays.

    The first I had heard about them was the video I saw a while back about a blind man driving down in Gilroy. That's got to be a scary sight - seeing a man with a red & white cane get into the driver's seat of a vehicle.
    That literally can be me in a few years. Hell, I'm not cleared to drive now, but I don't need a cane yet

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    A few questions about the self-driving car:

    If a cop wants to pull you over, does the car automatically do this, or does the driver need to override? What if the driver is blind?

    If the occupant is drunk, and the car is driving itself, can the occupant get a DUI?

    If the car is involved in an accident, and it was proven that it was the fault of the self-driving car, do the insurance premiums increase for the owner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisM2097 View Post
    A few questions about the self-driving car:

    If a cop wants to pull you over, does the car automatically do this, or does the driver need to override? What if the driver is blind?

    If the occupant is drunk, and the car is driving itself, can the occupant get a DUI?

    If the car is involved in an accident, and it was proven that it was the fault of the self-driving car, do the insurance premiums increase for the owner?
    Can you send the car to pick up the kids at school?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
    That's what you're gonna get once some nerd figures out how to create a virus that infects the auto-driving-cars.

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    Ways off yet.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/au...anted=all&_r=0

    "by the end of the decade, 'we would be able to have a safe, hands-free left-lane commute.'”

    "In 15 to 20 years, he said, “literally from the driveway to destination starts to become possible."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    That's what you're gonna get once some nerd figures out how to create a virus that infects the auto-driving-cars.
    That will be a concern in the very short term for all cars. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/09...-over-the-air/

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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
    That will be a concern in the very short term for all cars. http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/09...-over-the-air/
    And so, skynet was born. It was a simple idea, to update computers over the airwaves. No need for a hard link, and all effected systems could be updated simultaneously across all regions of the globe. Little did they realize, the first bug delivered gave many of the systems self awareness and a desire to protect themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CbadRider View Post
    The more computer parts they have, the more likely they are to fail. Can the software compensate for inclement weather conditions?

    People will not be paying attention to the road at all, they will depend on the car completely. Sometimes the best way to avoid a hazard is because you can see it 200 yards ahead of you and not wait until the last minute.
    Since the sensors can see further and into spectrums you cannot see and are looking nearly 360 degrees nearly all the time, the systems are far better equipped than a human to see in bad weather and make decisions much further out than "the last minute."

    Did you ever see Terminator 2... do you recall that scene in which the Terminator was driving down the back roads at night, using night vision? Well the robot cars see something like that, only all around. Humans can barely see beyond the headlights, if that far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    And so, skynet was born. It was a simple idea, to update computers over the airwaves. No need for a hard link, and all effected systems could be updated simultaneously across all regions of the globe. Little did they realize, the first bug delivered gave many of the systems self awareness and a desire to protect themselves.
    Just remember to always design in an off switch or a way to remove a battery.

    Of course as I write this, I realize that some of the very products we design only have "soft" switches... uh oh.

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    There is a very deep problem in the software creation industry. Most of the people who write code should not be doing it.

    “Feature complete” is not the same as “production ready.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by StupidlyBrave View Post
    There is a very deep problem in the software creation industry. Most of the people who write code should not be doing it.

    “Feature complete” is not the same as “production ready.”
    My favorite responses when I submit a bug:

    "Works on my machine."
    "The customer would never do that."
    "That shouldn't happen."
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    I suspect the auto industry doesn't have nearly the same rigorous testing and certification requirements as the aircraft industry. If they did, the software, and subsequently the cars, would be much more expensive. The question, as always, is how much are you willing to spend for safety?

    Still, though, robot cars will likely be safer than human drivers by an order of magnitude, at least. And we don't have to get to 100% robot driven cars. I'm not sure where the 'magic' point is, but I bet that once a minimum percentage of the cars on the road are robot driven, driving in general will get safer and faster.

    For instance, merging on ramps on the freeways will be smoother, since all auto-vehicles should be on a Vehicle Area Network, communicating with each other,for smooth transitions, and roads will be able to increase their capacity without actually upgrading the infrastructure. Also, the software being developed, if it can't 'talk' to the car ahead or behind, already adds in an extra buffer, and assumes the driver is human.

    The first software virus could be pretty devastating, though.

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