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    The End of My DSLR Days

    So I just sold the last of my DSLRs, the IQ advantage over small sensor cameras just wasn't worth the weight penalty anymore. Now the Olympus Pen is my sole digital camera everything else is film. I expect this will be a trend in the serious hobbyist/prosumer market. Still haven't seen any digital picture that can compare to a 6x6 transparency though.
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    Luvin' my Canon S95. Small cameras are much better for me!

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    I love my sony hx8v ill never want to get rid of here google some of the vids taken by a sony hx97 they rock and it fits in my jeans pocket

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    Sigma DP1M & DP2M are compact with amazing resolution. In the right light with a good tripod, they can give your 6x6 a run for the money. The Sigma SD1M w/ some quality lenses, same thing.

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    I've used SLR's for over 40 years. There is a lot more to them than better image quality. In fact when I started using SLR's we also used 6x6cm TLR's and those had better image quality than the SLR's, but they were a lot less flexible and harder to use.

    I bought my wife an EVF digital camera quite a few years ago. This is "electronic view finder" and it is sort of like a miniature SLR, very small and light but not quite small enough to go into my pants pocket. Ours was 5 megapixel and had very good image quality, mostly equal to the pro DSLR's of the day that were 6MP. It had a good lens with long zoom range and effective image stabilization. But there were so many ways that it was not as good as a real DSLR. My last camera purchase was a Nikon D300, which is a pretty big and heavy camera by today's standards. I like using it and don't mind the size or weight, but there are times that I don't carry it because of the size. The DSLR is more flexible, faster, has more options and controls, and a wider variety of lenses and accessories. It will get good photos in conditions where other cameras won't get anything. Under good conditions it might be more than you need, in less optimum conditions you still need it.

    Since I discovered how good the camera is in my iphone I use it for casual photos. I have a real small Canon digital for casual use but in good light the iphone does almost as well and neither of them does very well in bad light.

    I have occasionally checked on the mirrorless digital cameras. They show some promise if they can be made significantly smaller, but the big factor will be the performance. I've owned cameras that were slow and cameras that were fast. If the little jobs are fast enough that will help a lot.

    Sensor size is a little less important than it was. This is obvious from the photos you can get from an iphone for instance, but the bigger sensors will always have an advantage in high ISO performance and in tonality and detail for larger photos. For a 4x6 print or for viewing on your computer screen you don't need very much resolution.

    This is a quick photo taken by my iphone when I spotted this antique car in a local parking lot. In a situation like this I would not have had a larger camera with me.


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    I wish my wife hadn't bought her D5000 and gone with a high-end P&S instead. Between you and me, it's too complicated for her, it takes terrible video on account of the bad AF it uses for video, and she sometimes complains that she has the wrong lens around. And it's too big. Her previous camera was an S1IS from about 2005 and that was just about right for her.

    My Elph 300HS, however, has plenty of lens, takes great HD video, and really great (maybe not pro, but really great) stills. And it fits in my pocket.

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    bikebuddha, can we see some of those shots from the lil oly?

    i use an oly too, but it's a big chunky old one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebuddha View Post
    So I just sold the last of my DSLRs, the IQ advantage over small sensor cameras just wasn't worth the weight penalty anymore. Now the Olympus Pen is my sole digital camera everything else is film. I expect this will be a trend in the serious hobbyist/prosumer market. Still haven't seen any digital picture that can compare to a 6x6 transparency though.
    You're probably right in many ways, a lot of the time for taking pictures while out and about a pocket camera does just as well as a high end DSLR. I remember reading the Luminous Landscape review where they pitted a Canon G10 costing $500 at the time against (I think) a Hasselblad body with a $40,000-odd digital medium format back and finding that in good light and on a tripod the image quality was so close (based on a 17x11 print) that even professional photographers and printers struggled to tell them apart.

    The pocket cameras typically do a lot less well tracking moving subjects and in low light but I'd reckon for 95% of what most people will do they're going to be as good as a bulky DSLR. I was quite surprised a few years back at the quality of images a friend took with the camera in his Sony Ericsson phone.
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    Yes medium format transparencies look GREAT but apart from the photographer ogling them honestly no one else sees them. As soon as they are printed they go ordinary. Most publications cant reproduce a 35mm transparency properly. Apart from being in a Camera club where we projected 35mm trannies no one saw them in their glory. Honestly good quality digital capture looks good and most importantly it reproduces VERY well.

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    Most of the pictures I'm interested in taking would not be taken very well with a non DSLR. When I carry my DSLR it's for a specific project so I pack accordingly. 75% of the people I see with a DSLR are using as a point and shoot and would be better off with that type of camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschlwc View Post
    bikebuddha, can we see some of those shots from the lil oly?

    i use an oly too, but it's a big chunky old one.
    Yeah I'll post some shots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    Yes medium format transparencies look GREAT but apart from the photographer ogling them honestly no one else sees them. As soon as they are printed they go ordinary. Most publications cant reproduce a 35mm transparency properly. Apart from being in a Camera club where we projected 35mm trannies no one saw them in their glory. Honestly good quality digital capture looks good and most importantly it reproduces VERY well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjtesch View Post

    Sensor size is a little less important than it was. This is obvious from the photos you can get from an iphone for instance, but the bigger sensors will always have an advantage in high ISO performance and in tonality and detail for larger photos. For a 4x6 print or for viewing on your computer screen you don't need very much resolution.
    It's interesting that you mention tonality because in my opinion it's one of the areas where even FF cameras fall short. I spent some time with a 5D and the pictures were super clean, detailed, and had better tonality than an APC-C sensor but I don't think it matched the Tonality of even 35mm film-when printed optically. One of the reasons I still have an enlarger is that scanning film and printing it is convenient but it definitely causes the film to loose something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris..... View Post
    Most of the pictures I'm interested in taking would not be taken very well with a non DSLR. When I carry my DSLR it's for a specific project so I pack accordingly. 75% of the people I see with a DSLR are using as a point and shoot and would be better off with that type of camera.
    What always gets me is the odd person you come across using top-end professional grade cameras, professional grade lenses, using the camera as if it were a simple point-and-shoot but assuming it will take better pictures because they spent so much money on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by contango View Post
    What always gets me is the odd person you come across using top-end professional grade cameras, professional grade lenses, using the camera as if it were a simple point-and-shoot but assuming it will take better pictures because they spent so much money on it.
    You mean like the guy using a 7d with a popup flash at his kid's birthday party?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebuddha View Post
    You mean like the guy using a 7d with a popup flash at his kid's birthday party?
    I was thinking of the guy using a 1Ds Mk III with L-series glass in P mode because he didn't know what the other modes did.

    On a photography forum some years back I came across a guy who had bought a 1Ds Mk II (back in the days when it was the Canon flagship) and was asking what two lenses he should buy for it. No thought to what he wanted to photograph with them, just a question of what two lenses he should buy and where he should buy them from. Needless to say he got some silly answers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by contango View Post
    I was thinking of the guy using a 1Ds Mk III with L-series glass in P mode because he didn't know what the other modes did.

    On a photography forum some years back I came across a guy who had bought a 1Ds Mk II (back in the days when it was the Canon flagship) and was asking what two lenses he should buy for it. No thought to what he wanted to photograph with them, just a question of what two lenses he should buy and where he should buy them from. Needless to say he got some silly answers.

    I think there's a long strain of equipment snobbery in photography, even in the film days I remember guys buying F4s just so they could say they had the top of the line camera. What did they use it for? Not much. Digital, with the real variation of sensor quality between models have only made it worse. I have a lot of prints in my house and almost everyone has the same two favorites, one was made with a Holga and the other with a Sony DSC-F717.
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    in 5 years the camera on are cell phones will be as good as the dslrs r now

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    This is an uncropped picture taken using my Canon 300 f/4 this summer. There is not a point and shoot out there that could match this in quality and camera shutter lag speed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chris..... View Post
    This is an uncropped picture taken using my Canon 300 f/4 this summer. There is not a point and shoot out there that could match this in quality and camera shutter lag speed.



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    but ya cant put that rig in ya pocket Chris and u r a pro a course u take good shots i admire ur skills chris and i dont say that a lot to people

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    Quote Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
    but ya cant put that rig in ya pocket Chris and u r a pro a course u take good shots i admire ur skills chris and i dont say that a lot to people
    Why do you say that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
    but ya cant put that rig in ya pocket Chris and u r a pro a course u take good shots i admire ur skills chris and i dont say that a lot to people
    Thanks, but I'm not a pro, I just like to take pictures. I have a camera in my pocket, my iphone. I take snapshots with it all of the time. ANother picture that you would have a hard time taking with a P&S.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    Why do you say that?
    just look at the pic above this post thats good stuff

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    Another thing, it's not like I just happened upon a soccer game and started taking pictures. I packed my bag accordingly for the game. 2 camera's and 2 lenses.

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