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    How are your negotiating skills?

    I don't necessarily mean negotiations at work, but rather in your day-to-day life. I find these skills useful in relationships (compromising skills), getting donations for a local charity (compasionate negotiation skills), reducing your cable bill (hard negotiating skills), etc.

    For me, these skills definitely get honed over time. I've been on a mission to reduce all of my regular bills over the last while. Almost every one of our bills are negotiable, without reducing services. To date, I've successfully negotiated lower pricing for my cable, home phone, cell phone, and banking fees (went from $15 per month to free). I rarely accept the sticker price on large purchase (furniture, cars, etc). I'm sure my skills suck compared to countries where bartering, and negotiations are common-place, but I do enjoy getting a deal

    Simply to get along with your neighbours, or the people around you in general, you need to have some basic people skills (which I equate to negotiating skills).

    What are some examples of your best negotiations ... outside of work???

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    I will read this thread and post in it, but it will cost you at least $10 Texican pesoloonies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    I will read this thread and post in it, but it will cost you at least $10 Texican pesoloonies.
    5 and you've got a deal.

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    As someone that has made his living with physical labor, I often take these "negotiation skills" as offensive, as if this person is trying to denigrate the value of my labor. If you're out to carve a discount out of someone else's livelihood for your own benefit, then are you really considering your neighbor's welfare above your own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
    As someone that has made his living with physical labor, I often take these "negotiation skills" as offensive, as if this person is trying to denigrate the value of my labor. If you're out to carve a discount out of someone else's livelihood for your own benefit, then are you really considering your neighbor's welfare above your own?
    I hear ya, but I don't worry about that when I'm negotiating free banking fees. Someone providing labour is different, although I will shop around to make sure I'm not getting over-priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfster View Post
    I hear ya, but I don't worry about that when I'm negotiating free banking fees. Someone providing labour is different, although I will shop around to make sure I'm not getting over-priced.
    Be careful with that. I provide high quality work. If someone is cheaper...there's often a reason for it.
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    8 and ice cold Pearl longneck.
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    Well, I negotiate medical malpractice claims and lawsuits, often in the millions of dollars, at work. But at home, if I try to use these same skills, my wife will tell me to 'not start using that reasonable negotiation crap on me'. Geez, you would not think it would be so difficult to affirm the relationship a couple times a week or so......
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    Interesting topic. I could have reduced my home phone (land line) charges when I chose to drop this service. They offered a greatly reduced fee, but I dropped the service anyway, as I now rely on my cell phone. I was a little miffed when they offered the reduced fee. I had been using this service for quite some time. It appears they had been taking advantage of me.

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    doctor j, I would recommend that everyone phone their Internet, Cell, Phone, Satellite / Cable, etc providers on a regular basis to see if there are any reductions available. If I get no wheres with the agent who first picks up the call, I usually ask for their supervisor. I usually get somewheres with that person. In Canada, the prices we pay are considerably higher than in the US, especially for cell providers, due to the lack of competition. But there's always negotiation room. As an example of savings, I went from an almost $90 cable bill to a $62 bill, without any reduction in channels. It's good for one year, at which time I'll be phoning them again.

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    If I tell you can we make a deal today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    8 and ice cold Pearl longneck.
    You drive a hard bargain, but I'll counter at 6 and a Canadian stubby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    If I tell you can we make a deal today?
    I don't deal in secrets, only benign information. Too expensive otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alfster View Post
    You drive a hard bargain, but I'll counter at 6 and a Canadian stubby.
    7, the stubby and a clean second hand touque and we can shake on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    7, the stubby and a clean second hand touque and we can shake on it.
    Deal!!!, I'll even throw in a 1/4 full bottle of probably Canadian made maple syrup. Btw, in Canada, a clean touque means we've given it a light shake to remove the debris. Payment will follow your story.

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    My wife calls me the "weirdness neutralizer" for my ability to build consensus in social situations... Humor is my no. 1 tool.

    I picked up negotiating skills from a co-worker back in the 90s. He was an antiques/auction/junk wheeler-dealer. Favorite quotes: "When someone starts with, 'Well, book value is...' I cut them off and say, 'OK, sell it to the book; this is what I'm offering right now.'" I once listened to him get a $1,000 credit from Chrysler to upgrade tires he didn't like on a new Jeep. He finally got to a VP who probably thought it was cheaper to cave than to argue the point with him...

    I work in a LBS. Unless it's a bike we're trying to move, I'm Dr. No when it comes to discounts...
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    Bottom line: everyone here should listen to Mconlonx... he has it figured out and the rest of you, well, don't.
    I know next to nothing. I am frequently wrong.

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    So, one day, the power company truck shows up to cut off the power. I was already in a bit of a foul mood, what with it being Texican summer, which makes Hell seem cool and inviting and the fact that my dungarees were a bit tight in the seat, but what else is new.

    So I lock the basement door and head out to the backyard to begin bartering with the power company technician. By bartering, I mean screaming obscenities and brandishing a twelve gauge in one hand and a bottle of Jack in the other.

    So the power company employee counters with a Colt 1911 and a 40 of Colt malt liquor, which I found to be slightly redundant and more than a bit trite, but that is neither here nor there.

    We both pop off a few rounds in each others general directions, all the while keeping up our filth riddled tirades about the man oppressing me and white trash texicans like me do not deserve electricity, much less access to firearms or alcohol, pausing only to reload and take a quick swig.

    Well the debate rages on in a spirited fashion for quite a bit, not quite Hatfield and McCoy, but longer than the War of 1812, when we finally reach an agreement whereby the technician will leave my power uninterrupted and I will tell my boys to bring the truck back and call off the dogs that will not let the technician out of the hackberry tree by the house.

    A few weeks later I got a call from customer service to follow up on my satisfaction with the service I had received. I gave the woman who came out 10s across the board. Glad they did not ask about marksmanship, because to tell you the truth, I am not sure she meant to miss me on some of those shots.
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    I negotiate with my ISP once about every 6 months. I don't have a cable bill. Cell phone bill is already super cheap, so nowhere to go with that. I don't think my utility company or mortgage company will negotiate.

    I tried negotiating on our home, but my wife had a say in it and we didn't get nearly as good of a deal as I thought we could get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    So, one day, the power company truck shows up to cut off the power. I was already in a bit of a foul mood, what with it being Texican summer, which makes Hell seem cool and inviting and the fact that my dungarees were a bit tight in the seat, but what else is new.

    So I lock the basement door and head out to the backyard to begin bartering with the power company technician. By bartering, I mean screaming obscenities and brandishing a twelve gauge in one hand and a bottle of Jack in the other.

    So the power company employee counters with a Colt 1911 and a 40 of Colt malt liquor, which I found to be slightly redundant and more than a bit trite, but that is neither here nor there.

    We both pop off a few rounds in each others general directions, all the while keeping up our filth riddled tirades about the man oppressing me and white trash texicans like me do not deserve electricity, much less access to firearms or alcohol, pausing only to reload and take a quick swig.

    Well the debate rages on in a spirited fashion for quite a bit, not quite Hatfield and McCoy, but longer than the War of 1812, when we finally reach an agreement whereby the technician will leave my power uninterrupted and I will tell my boys to bring the truck back and call off the dogs that will not let the technician out of the hackberry tree by the house.

    A few weeks later I got a call from customer service to follow up on my satisfaction with the service I had received. I gave the woman who came out 10s across the board. Glad they did not ask about marksmanship, because to tell you the truth, I am not sure she meant to miss me on some of those shots.
    Deal's off. This story left me uninspired. Also, never trust a Canadian. Always get payment up front. Be this as a lesson to you.
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    Jewish kid asks his dad for $20. His dad says $10! What do you need $5 for?

    Thems good negotiating skills!

    I once negotiated for 7 days to buy a rug in a Yerevan market. Armenians are tough but I got him down to a pretty good price.
    Ionnsaich aig casan latha an-d, bi be airson latha an-diugh, bi an dchas airson latha a-maireach.

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    Mine are good. I can negotiate. Prolly better than Pcad too!

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    Negotiations....?
    I thought you guys all "traded" in Northcountry?
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    Alfster SUCKS at negotiating. We had a deal and then he Canucked on me. I will now use the term Canuck in place of Welch and cheat. I blame Kim Campbell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad View Post
    If I tell you can we make a deal today?
    Will you talk to the sales manager about my offer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Alfster SUCKS at negotiating. We had a deal and then he Canucked on me. I will now use the term Canuck in place of Welch and cheat. I blame Kim Campbell.
    ......and Bob+Doug MacKenzie
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