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    Flags at Half Staff

    Does anyone besides me think we fly the flags at half staff way too often these days? I'm not trying to minimize or discount the current or any past tragedies, but it seems to me that "back in the day" flying the flags at half staff was almost a sacred thing. Now days, I will see flags at half staff and not know why they're there sometimes.

    I think this goes along with a general diminishing of respect for our country, the American flag and the traditions associated with them. I bet less than 1/2 of the crowd at any given event where the national anthem is sung will have their hands over their hearts while it's being sung. I'm 48 and this includes people older than me that come from generations where these traditions were taught and exercised in the schools.

    I have 4 sons who are very clear on the respect they are to pay to our flag, our national anthem and those who have sacrificed for them.

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    I think that when the President of the United States issues a decree to fly the flags at half staff, flags should be flown at half staff. States, cities and other organizations have the right to decide how and when their respective flags be flown at half staff.

    Being a Texas Aggie, I have a hard time resisting yelling out "Uncover!" when I see a male wearing non uniform head covering during our National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance. Both of my sons are scouts, as was / am I, so respect for our flag and what it stands for are well understood in our family.

    BTW, there is a neat widget that will notify you when to fly your flag at half staff available here: http://halfstaff.org/
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    I hear you on the hand-over-your-heart thing. When we attend sporting events, I seem to be the only one left who does it. And I am usually one of the youngest in attendance!

    Better yet, I work somewhere with a row of flags, with the US flag on the end. I am not in charge of them whatsoever, but someone from the military came by and notified us that the flag is in the wrong place in the row. I thought that was interesting, as I had never noticed before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Being a Texas Aggie, I have a hard time resisting yelling out "Uncover!" when I see a male wearing non uniform head covering during our National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance. Both of my sons are scouts, as was / am I, so respect for our flag and what it stands for are well understood in our family.
    I'm not an Aggie, but I feel the same way. At this point, I've pretty much given up on being a cop to the rest of the world. As long as we're talking pet peeves, though, the one thing about the flag that chaps my ass is when people violate this part of the flag code:

    176. Respect for flag
    No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America...

    (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker's desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general...

    (j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations.
    When I see someone wearing a shirt (or even worse, pants) made out of flag colors/patterns, it just kind of rubs me the wrong way, since they think they're doing it to be patriotic but they're really being disrespectful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    I think that when the President of the United States issues a decree to fly the flags at half staff, flags should be flown at half staff. States, cities and other organizations have the right to decide how and when their respective flags be flown at half staff.

    Being a Texas Aggie, I have a hard time resisting yelling out "Uncover!" when I see a male wearing non uniform head covering during our National Anthem or Pledge of Allegiance. Both of my sons are scouts, as was / am I, so respect for our flag and what it stands for are well understood in our family.

    BTW, there is a neat widget that will notify you when to fly your flag at half staff available here: http://halfstaff.org/
    Made me wonder how many people (except vets) would understand that term. I've been out 22 years and honestly don't recall the last time I heard a form of the word cover as a noun or verb with regards to headwear.

    I haven't been to any ball game for a few years but I'll take note next time the national anthem is played. From what I recall, at pro-level sporting events it's been a bit worse than at the high school and college level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SonataInFSharp View Post
    I hear you on the hand-over-your-heart thing. When we attend sporting events, I seem to be the only one left who does it. And I am usually one of the youngest in attendance!

    Better yet, I work somewhere with a row of flags, with the US flag on the end. I am not in charge of them whatsoever, but someone from the military came by and notified us that the flag is in the wrong place in the row. I thought that was interesting, as I had never noticed before.
    Relevant section of flag code:

    175. Position and manner of display
    The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flag's own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line
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    Originally Posted by bragi "However, it's never a good idea to overgeneralize."

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