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Old 02-12-05, 01:08 PM   #1
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Jeanne-Claude & Christo's "Gates"

Has anybody up in NYC seen the "Gates" unveiling this morning?
Looks incredible, wish I was up there.



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Saw it on the news last night. Not art... estheticly pleaseing, yes... art no. The 'art' was in the design, development and exicution of Central Park. The 'gates' are as much art as a nice fence along the path would be art.

Sorry, I don't buy it.
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I've always thought this guy was 100% hype. But, hey, that's why art isn't science, as it's based largely on opinion.
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OOooooooo AAaaaahhh. Next fad please
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hmmm.... sorry, I work in the arts - It seemed pretty important to me. I don't understand calling this a 'fad'. JC and Christo have done works around the world for over three decades.

The public always has mixed opinions about JC and Christo's works, and that is as much a part of the 'power' of each piece as the aesthetics are.
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I find this art MUCH more interesting.

http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/ausstellung_usa.asp
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hmmm.... sorry, I work in the arts...
I'm sorry, I don't have any experience in art whatsoever
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is that the idiot that wrapped the islands in pink? Didn't he put a condom on some building?

Well, if it can't be good, at least make it big.
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Eh, many people have no taste - and a lot of you seem to be amongst them. No loss!
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I find this art MUCH more interesting.

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Stacey, Do ya think Van Hagens is anywhere as talented as Frank Netter in this genre?
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Netter, that's the guy that did all of those illustration you see in the doctors office, yes? That's what Google turned up as I wasn't familiar with the name.

I really try not to 'think' Shifty, I either get in trouble or fall asleep when I do... especially when connected with art. I believe the only comonality they share is the examination of the body human. Netter's approach seems to be from a purely clinical direction, whereas Van Hagens while providing an educational look at the materials contained within our skin, his use of color, positions, situations and views takes it far beyond the clinical aspect.

Sort of the difference between listening to Masters & Johnson talk about doing sex and watching Holmes & Hollander actually do it.

One of my favorite pieces is the one in the upper left corner on the page of the link provided. The guy holding his skin is just remarkable.
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Netter, that's the guy that did all of those illustration you see in the doctors office, yes? That's what Google turned up as I wasn't familiar with the name.

I really try not to 'think' Shifty, I either get in trouble or fall asleep when I do... especially when connected with art. I believe the only comonality they share is the examination of the body human. Netter's approach seems to be from a purely clinical direction, whereas Van Hagens while providing an educational look at the materials contained within our skin, his use of color, positions, situations and views takes it far beyond the clinical aspect.

Sort of the difference between listening to Masters & Johnson talk about doing sex and watching Holmes & Hollander actually do it.

One of my favorite pieces is the one in the upper left corner on the page of the link provided. The guy holding his skin is just remarkable.
I've not heard of Van Hagens prior to reading your post, thanks, I will be looking for more. I also was drawn to the skin piece, must see more than the website offers. You are kind of right on Netter about the office posters, that is what most of us see in a wierd clinical setting. He is an MD who discovered a talent for illustration, and has drawn for many years and published many books of his incredible work, which could not be done by photography at the time. When you see his books, look for the skill and art first. I think he has published >25 books, each of a bio-system, nervous, vascular,etc.

If there is a medical library near you, or if you know a physician who has the, you would enjoy taking a look. Just don't try the Holmes and Hollander thing in the med library, those stacks are too close together for that guy!! Thanks again.
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I've not heard of Van Hagens prior to reading your post, thanks, I will be looking for more. I also was drawn to the skin piece, must see more than the website offers. You are kind of right on Netter about the office posters, that is what most of us see in a wierd clinical setting. He is an MD who discovered a talent for illustration, and has drawn for many years and published many books of his incredible work, which could not be done by photography at the time. When you see his books, look for the skill and art first. I think he has published >25 books, each of a bio-system, nervous, vascular,etc.

If there is a medical library near you, or if you know a physician who has the, you would enjoy taking a look. Just don't try the Holmes and Hollander thing in the med library, those stacks are too close together for that guy!! Thanks again.

You're welcome. I'd first seen mention of Van Hagens a few years back on 'Ripley's Believe It or Not' or some show like that and thought it fantastic. Then just the other day there was a piece on the news about his exposition coming to the Frankiln Institute in Philadelphia this fall and the resultant hoopla being created by certian fundie religious groups But that's another discussion. Since I'm about only an hour away from the Institute I'm planning to visit when the exposition comes to town.

What I find inviting about his work is that YOU (your body in its physical state) can be therorically preserved and displayed as a work of art for ages to come... not just your likeness captured on canvas, or chisled in stone. The ultimate vanity trip.

There's a place on the site where you can sign up to donate your remains to the work.
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There's a place on the site where you can sign up to donate your remains to the work.
Do you think that's what happened to Holmes? lots to work with there!!
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Do you think that's what happened to Holmes? lots to work with there!!

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OK, Hollander then....GO TEAM!!

Oh yeah, I really like Christo, has given our times an art that reaches out to so many, then we can all take it from there. I admit to having the "WOW" factor at a lot of his work, wouldn't mind seeing Gates.
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Eh, many people have no taste - and a lot of you seem to be amongst them. No loss!
...and a lot of people have really bad taste. Say, for instance, making giant, pointless pieces of so-called art.
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...and a lot of people have really bad taste. Say, for instance, making giant, pointless pieces of so-called art.

Exactly, "the emporer wears no clothes". How many millions did he spend?
It was very expensive, i don't recall the number right off hand though
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Exactly, "the emporer wears no clothes". How many millions did he spend?
It was very expensive, i don't recall the number right off hand though
The emporer's new clothes was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this!! My cousin's wife went nuts yesterday morning when she saw the unveiling and she plans on taking a trip to New York next week. He and I looked at each other and couldn't figure out what the big deal was.
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Exactly, "the emporer wears no clothes". How many millions did he spend?
It was very expensive, i don't recall the number right off hand though

I think the number tossed around was $20 million?
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I find this art MUCH more interesting.

http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/ausstellung_usa.asp
OK, now I'm really hung up on the Van Hagens show, it's in Los Angeles now, so I'm going down to see it before it moves on to Chicago. Nerdy stuff like that can be so off the wall cool.(a million visitors in Korea can't be all wrong).

Anyway, I don't know how much you studied the website, but you might want to order one of these mousepads (seeing how much you like rodents), they have the skin toten dude even.

http://www.bodyworldshop.com/view_category.asp?cat=37

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I think it's kinda cool. One thing to remember is that very few artists are popular with most people in their own time. Otherwise they wouldn't be artists. Van Gogh couldn't even give his paintings away. Now they sell for millions.
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I usually walk to Columbus Circle on my home from work so i took a look at this the other day. All i can ask is, who the hell thought this was a good idea? They've taken one of the finest creations in art, the mixing of man's focus and nature's complexity, Central Park, and taken a gigantic, steaming, orange (sorry saffron) dump right on it. I understand that art often serves no purpose, it's there to make you think, whatever. This is more like some guy said, 'hey, i've got all these curtains that are so fugly people wouldn't let their dog crap on it, let's hang them out in what little semblance to nature this city actually has!' I'll be very happy once this goes away.
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I think it's kinda cool. One thing to remember is that very few artists are popular with most people in their own time. Otherwise they wouldn't be artists. Van Gogh couldn't even give his paintings away. Now they sell for millions.
Well, if these two are hoping to reach their maturity after they are dead, they are blowing it now. There will be nothing left of their masterpieces after they are gone.

I have no opinion as to whether this is art or not. But I think it's pretty cool. Absolutely the best representation of our throwaway society I can think of. Spend stupid amonts of money and time on something that is in the trash can in a month. Pop Art at it's best. I am sure Andy would approve.
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Well, if these two are hoping to reach their maturity after they are dead, they are blowing it now. There will be nothing left of their masterpieces after they are gone.

I have no opinion as to whether this is art or not. But I think it's pretty cool. Absolutely the best representation of our throwaway society I can think of. Spend stupid amonts of money and time on something that is in the trash can in a month. Pop Art at it's best. I am sure Andy would approve.

Ah Grasshopper, you see their legacy WILL live on in the overpriced 'Limited Edition' prints that are being made of their steaming piles of fecal material. Which surely, as did Picasso fecal matter, will experience further price bloat once the have departed for their heavenly domain.


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