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    Signs that end times are near

    At my small local library today, I search the e-catalog:

    'existentialism' returned one hit: Dr. Phil !

    Clearly, a society that would allow this result can not last long...

    I ended up with: "Secretariat", "Cycling past 50" (hope to be in a few years), and "Wealth of Nations".

    I have jury duty tomorrow, and a terrible premonition of sitting in a room doing nothing for hours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
    I ended up with: "Secretariat", "Cycling past 50" (hope to be in a few years), and "Wealth of Nations".

    I have jury duty tomorrow, and a terrible premonition of sitting in a room doing nothing for hours.
    Well anything to make jury duty more tolerable. Personally I get out of jury duty every time I get called for it. Plus I don't think I would make a good juror anyway, I would want to play lawyer too much and want to ask witness questions.
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    Maybe you could bring in 'Game of Thrones'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeguyinvenice View Post
    Plus I don't think I would make a good juror anyway, I would want to play lawyer too much and want to ask witness questions.
    I am a trial lawyer. This is every trial lawyer's worst nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    I am a trial lawyer. This is every trial lawyer's worst nightmare.
    I was on jury duty once and when they asked us questions one woman said that she was a union steward for the local transit district and was known as "a poor man's lawyer". She explained that she had been to several legal seminars and gave legal advice to the bus drivers. She made it onto the jury and then volunteered to be the jury foreman. After a few hours deliberating we were ready to kill her.

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    Anybody that would 'volunteer' to be a jury foreman should evicted as insane.
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    Oh, back to the OP; I thought the backlash against iOS7 was kind of a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    I was on jury duty once and when they asked us questions one woman said that she was a union steward for the local transit district and was known as "a poor man's lawyer". She explained that she had been to several legal seminars and gave legal advice to the bus drivers. She made it onto the jury and then volunteered to be the jury foreman. After a few hours deliberating we were ready to kill her.
    I have heard similar horror stories. When a person is too eager to get into a jury panel it is time to boot him/her out.

    It is important to chose jurors who will work well together as a group. Otherwise all Hell can break loose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    I was on jury duty once and when they asked us questions one woman said that she was a union steward for the local transit district and was known as "a poor man's lawyer". She explained that she had been to several legal seminars and gave legal advice to the bus drivers. She made it onto the jury and then volunteered to be the jury foreman.
    One time on jury duty, they were down to choosing the last alternate juror. A nice little old lady was next to me. When she got called, she said that she felt that the defendant would not have been arrested if he wasn't guilty. She got excused. I didn't have anything to top that. So I got to spend a couple of days doing my civic duty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    Oh, back to the OP; I thought the backlash against iOS7 was kind of a clue.
    Hmmm...I don't know what that is, nor what backlash it caused--some kind of I-phone thing?

    I think reality tv is a bad sign. I see a show I thought was insultingly stupid years ago that might now be the best choice available as a re-run going up against the new junk. Even History, Discovery, Learning channels are all showing rednecks yelling at each other.

    I'm watching Jack Benny right now, and it towers over most of today's comedy shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    One time on jury duty, they were down to choosing the last alternate juror. A nice little old lady was next to me. When she got called, she said that she felt that the defendant would not have been arrested if he wasn't guilty. She got excused. I didn't have anything to top that. So I got to spend a couple of days doing my civic duty.
    I have heard many prospective jurors use the same line.

    A subtler variant on that is: "where there is smoke there is fire."
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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    I have heard similar horror stories. When a person is too eager to get into a jury panel it is time to boot him/her out.

    It is important to chose jurors who will work well together as a group. Otherwise all Hell can break loose.
    It always struck me as odd that most prospective jurors seem to approach it sort of like a beauty pageant or something. They want to be chosen, just for the sake of being chosen, as if not being chosen is some mark of shame. They would be competitive about it, if they only knew how.

    But then I always remember the words of the San Diego juror administrator who advised that even those who are not chosen have done their part by giving the court a larger pool to choose from. That's what I strive for.
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    Take a copy of "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat.....best way to get out of jury duty ever devised.
    Or wear a T-shirt that says "Hang 'em high"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ModoVincere View Post
    Take a copy of "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat.....best way to get out of jury duty ever devised.
    Or wear a T-shirt that says "Hang 'em high"
    Or wear a T-shirt that says "O.J. was framed!"
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    One advantage of being self employed is being excused from jury duty. I was called, but never selected, in the past and don't feel bad about being excused now.

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    The last time I was in jury duty, we spent a half-day and change picking jurors, and I wasn't picked. Selection had bogged down into a cultural debate about what constituted child abuse and what didn't and who was a mandatory reporter and who wasn't and probably what the meaning of "is" is... but eventually they had 12 people and the alternates and I went home for the afternoon.

    I especially enjoyed the peremptory challenges, where the DA and the defense just throw people out for whatever secret reason they may have.
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    I had heard, though I have no experience with it, that if you make it known that you are a firm proponent of jury nullification they will eliminate you right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
    The last time I was in jury duty, we spent a half-day and change picking jurors, and I wasn't picked. Selection had bogged down into a cultural debate about what constituted child abuse and what didn't and who was a mandatory reporter and who wasn't and probably what the meaning of "is" is... but eventually they had 12 people and the alternates and I went home for the afternoon.

    I especially enjoyed the peremptory challenges, where the DA and the defense just throw people out for whatever secret reason they may have.
    Believe it or not, there is a method to our madness when it comes time to exercising peremptory challenges.

    From my perspective as a DA, the key to selecting a good jury panel boils down to a simple equation: pick people with real life experience. If you pick people of common sense, who have experience in real life, they will be able to figure out what is going on. I have done well in jury selection, sometimes going against CW, by choosing jurors who will look at the evidence and use their life experience to "get it."

    One of the criticisms aimed at the US Supreme Court, is that the justices live in an isolated bubble with no real connection to the lives of every day people. In other words, they lack experience in real life. Same principle applies to jurors deciding a case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    Believe it or not, there is a method to our madness when it comes time to exercising peremptory challenges.

    From my perspective as a DA, the key to selecting a good jury panel boils down to a simple equation: pick people with real life experience. If you pick people of common sense, who have experience in real life, they will be able to figure out what is going on. I have done well in jury selection, sometimes going against CW, by choosing jurors who will look at the evidence and use their life experience to "get it."

    One of the criticisms aimed at the US Supreme Court, is that the justices live in an isolated bubble with no real connection to the lives of every day people. In other words, they lack experience in real life. Same principle applies to jurors deciding a case.
    But they didn't even ask anybody anything... they just took one look at the jury and started dismissing people all willy-nilly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rootman View Post
    I had heard, though I have no experience with it, that if you make it known that you are a firm proponent of jury nullification they will eliminate you right away.
    I am on board. The law can not anticipate all circumstances, and the outcome for everyone should be as fair as possible within the spirit of the law, even if it means stepping outside the lines of the letter of the law in a few cases. Otherwise, just feed the facts into a computer and honor the result. We've moved close to that extreme with all the zero tolerance and mandatory sentences.

    I was not even asked to show up today, possibly because of answers on the survey, or perhaps there was a plea bargain, or they filled the jury yesterday. Whatever the reason, I'm off the hook for now.
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    There is no need for any jury. You just have to ask the defendant to prove he is a murderer.

    the prosecutor: "Did you kill X?"
    the defendant:"No"

    the prosecutor: "or not?"
    the defendant: "No"

    the prosecutor: "So you did kill X?"
    the defendant: "No"

    the prosecutor: "No you didn't or no you did not not kill X?
    the defendant: "Yes"

    the prosecutor: "So you did kill X?"
    the defendant: "No"

    the prosecutor: "You've just admitted you did kill X"
    the defendant: "No, I haven't"

    the prosecutor: "Yes, you have"
    the defendant: "No, I haven't"

    the prosecutor: "How many people did you kill?
    the defendant: "None"

    the judge: "Answer by yes or no, please!"
    the defendant: "I can't"

    the judge: "This isn't an answer"
    the defendant: "No, I haven't killed anyone"

    the prosecutor: "But you did kill X?"
    the defendant: "No"

    the prosecutor: "So who is it that you have killed?"
    the defendant: "Nobaudie"

    the prosecutor: "No further questions"
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
    But they didn't even ask anybody anything... they just took one look at the jury and started dismissing people all willy-nilly.
    There were no initial questions? By the judge? By the attorneys?

    That is a bit bizarre.
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    No matter the situation, be very leary of those that volunteer to lead with out being asked. The best leaders are the reluctant ones. I often say that in order to lead, you must first learn how to follow. Live your sermon, don't preach it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    No matter the situation, be very leary of those that volunteer to lead with out being asked. The best leaders are the reluctant ones. I often say that in order to lead, you must first learn how to follow. Live your sermon, don't preach it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
    There were no initial questions? By the judge? By the attorneys?

    That is a bit bizarre.
    I thought it was funny. I want to say they dumped about 5 or so of us that way (out of 40 or whatever) and then went on to the questions.
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