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    New mattress and new box spring or just new mattress?

    My current mattress is as old as the hills. I have not been sleeping well and figure I would try a new mattress. I need one anyway.

    I was thinking of going with a memory foam mattress. Do you put a box spring under those and if so should I replace the box spring too?

    Mattress experts anyone??
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    The sales person will say

    The thrifty person will say

    I think a box spring has been a box spring forever. It's the twisted pair of sleep.

    I'd replace it if your mattress size will change or the 'creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak' annoys you.
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    I built myself a platform using 2X8 and a plywood top. It made the mattress a bit lower to the ground and provides a dust free storage area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    The sales person will say

    The thrifty person will say

    I think a box spring has been a box spring forever. It's the twisted pair of sleep.

    I'd replace it if your mattress size will change or the 'creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak, creak' annoys you.
    No creak, creak creak.

    Unless I have one of my many women on there.
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    If your mattress is really old then it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace it. However, if the issue is not sleeping well then I would rate some other factors higher on the list to consider than a new mattress. Try supplementing with a good quality Magnesium supplement before bed and taking a Potassium supplement before bed would probably help too.

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    Eh, some of us just need new mattresses after waking up sorer than we went to bed. Supplements ain't gonna help with that.

    I've had some people tell me that a memory foam mattress (if you go full memory foam) needs a more sturdy platform than a box spring will provide. Others have taken a sheet or two of plywood, wrapped them in old sheets, put them on top of the box spring, put the memory foam mattress on top of that and call it good. My next mattress, I'm going to go with a super firm spring mattress with a dense memory foam mattress topper on top of that. That way I can flip the mattress when needed and toss and replace the foam topper if/when it gets too worn out. I currently have a spring mattress with a memory foam pillow top and my wife loves the cushiness of it and how it has formed to her body, but the sucker is only 8 years old (first purchase after we got married) and there are huge dents in it where we lay down every night because we can't flip it and the foam has worn out while the springs are still good. I would have hoped for more for what (at the time at least) was a pretty pricey mattress that was supposed to be a "20-year" mattress.
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    I would avoid the boxspring. I like the design of my ikea bed frame. It has a central aluminum beam that runs down the center, then two sets of wood boards that run on either side of the beam. The bed sits right on the boards. It makes the bed lower and lets you fit things underneath more easily.

    Mattress... I think my pillowtop is more comfortable, but it does prevent flipping. I would go with the normal mattress, probably on the firm side, then supplement with a removable foam thing that you can replace. When I was a kid, I actually had a roll of that eggcarton foam on my bed and it was a big help. Not exactly high tech, but it worked.

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    My ongoing saga of finding a mattress as I also upgraded to king from queen...

    Bought an iComfort Insight with 'free' boxspring. While it came with a 120 day comfort guarantee, it only lasted about 90 days. It began deteriorating with kind of a crumbly feel (like the free pillows what were ground foam) and was feeling the lower support area. In addition it met the 3/4" depression as it cratered. With the exchange, went back to coil, and in this case "individual pocketed coil" Sterns and Foster pillowtop with matching 'free' boxspring. Wife hates it as too soft. Motion isolation isn't all that great compared to the great, plus the protector cover required for warranty protection by both Serta and S&F is noisy as hell. Demonstrated it to the sales person who insisted otherwise by running my fingernails over the mattress cover alone and absolute silence, then a over protector - scratch, scratch, scratch with each movement. Unfortunately, S&F doesn't come with a trial period so dependent on warranty which states the mattress depression has to be 1 1/2". I essentially am there, but haven't pulled the trigger yet. (Notably, due to foam, it rises during the day so on inspection day would probably put sandbags on the bed, removing (hiding) them as the inspector arrives to pull a string across and measure. Although last time with the Serta iComfort they didn't bother sending an inspector out as I showed up with my own photo which they used.






    Concerning boxsprings and memory foam mattresses? Serta, and competing Sealy, use a spring type boxspring. Tempurpedic used a solid box. Easy enough to check. In the store, lift the mattress a couple inches and tap on the boxspring with your knuckles. Also, with all, if you have a bed, it sits around the perimeter of the boxspring/mattress/metal frame. That is what is holding me up now as I intend to build a bed with the flat boxspring surface, then move to Tempurpedic. In a year or so can remove the platform and drop in an adjustable platform without impacting the bed.

    Kind od good news, the cheapest model works fine in each line, leaning towards the Cloud Series. What I find, as you go up in each Series, they simply add more layers which makes them softer. Can move to the entry level of each series without boxspring for about the same as the credit from the S&F. Liked both the Cloud and Weightless Series, but Weightless is near impossible to find. Contour Series was nice but found it tended to grab ahold when getting up. Also tempting for about $1000 more is the new air bladder "Choice Supreme" for dual comfort selection. A couple thing that stand out with Tempurpedic (other than outrageously expensive) is their 90 day guarantee (although I hear it is a guarantee to one of their other models), not requiring the noisy mattress protector for warranty, and only 3/8" depression standard - which says a lot about resistance to depression.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyG View Post
    If your mattress is really old then it wouldn't be a bad idea to replace it. However, if the issue is not sleeping well then I would rate some other factors higher on the list to consider than a new mattress. Try supplementing with a good quality Magnesium supplement before bed and taking a Potassium supplement before bed would probably help too.

    Anthony
    Thanks for the tips. I will look into those supplements for sleep. I do take melatonin and seems to help a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by black_box View Post
    I would avoid the boxspring. I like the design of my ikea bed frame. It has a central aluminum beam that runs down the center, then two sets of wood boards that run on either side of the beam. The bed sits right on the boards. It makes the bed lower and lets you fit things underneath more easily.

    Mattress... I think my pillowtop is more comfortable, but it does prevent flipping. I would go with the normal mattress, probably on the firm side, then supplement with a removable foam thing that you can replace. When I was a kid, I actually had a roll of that eggcarton foam on my bed and it was a big help. Not exactly high tech, but it worked.
    Yeah lots of those low profile beds in Europe, I really prefer them. I get the feeling like I need to climb into mine, it is so high. I am fairly tall at 6'1" I can't imagine how someone 5" or so feels.

    I did buy one of those pads for a sailing resort where I used to stay. The sailing was wonderful but the beds were like sleeping on concrete. I would haul one of those pads with me to the resort. Of course those were the days when you were not charged for bags. Also back in the day, it was really nice layover in PR, drop the bag at the sidewalk locker and jump in a cab and hit the beach and / or casino at Isla Verde. Those were the days to travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
    Yeah lots of those low profile beds in Europe, I really prefer them. I get the feeling like I need to climb into mine, it is so high. I am fairly tall at 6'1" I can't imagine how someone 5" or so feels.
    I'm 5'5" and the bed is a nice height to fall into without hurting myself

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    So how does the memory foam mattress compare to the conventional mattress when it comes to Hump Day?
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    We bought a new queen size bed about 10 years ago. We were poor college students then. I looked all over town at the cheapest ones with a flippable mattress. Ended up buying a $300 mattress/box spring from Denver Mattress. It has a 10 yr warranty (about up now I guess) and it has held up very well. I keep a mattress cover on it and rotate it regularly (spin in the spring and flip in the fall).
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    Moving Sale , pillow top mattress and box springs and frame all in one go..
    it's still good. have the same Eddy Bauer big rectangular Down filled sleeping bag I got in the 70's

    though its shell cover rotted away, inside a Duvet cover , it still keeps me warm.


    slept on a pair of Thermarest Camp Rest mattresses in many apartments, on the floor . for years ..

    they packed well in storage units so I could Afford to take bike tours ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinnaker View Post
    Yeah lots of those low profile beds in Europe, I really prefer them. I get the feeling like I need to climb into mine, it is so high. I am fairly tall at 6'1" I can't imagine how someone 5" or so feels.

    I did buy one of those pads for a sailing resort where I used to stay. The sailing was wonderful but the beds were like sleeping on concrete. I would haul one of those pads with me to the resort. Of course those were the days when you were not charged for bags. Also back in the day, it was really nice layover in PR, drop the bag at the sidewalk locker and jump in a cab and hit the beach and / or casino at Isla Verde. Those were the days to travel.
    My bed belonged to my great grandparents. My great grandmother had a set of matching steps made (now in the attic) because the bed is quite tall and she was quite short.
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    Just ordered a new mattress and box spring today. Went with a S&F in UltraFirm.
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