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    getting a better camera won't help you with composition though, which needs some work.
    i'd suggest some photography classes, or grabbing an old copy of the joy of photography.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the sci guy View Post
    getting a better camera won't help you with composition though, which needs some work.
    i'd suggest some photography classes, or grabbing an old copy of the joy of photography.
    Well obviously I am not a pro. So, you seem to know more than me, what was my errors in those pics from the state park?
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    I'm a big fan of the rule of thirds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thirds
    As a basic step, it's a way I've made my pictures a bit more interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeguyinvenice View Post
    Well I'm not sure what I want to do yet, some of the thing I like to photograph are landscapes and wildlife. Sometimes my little Nikon point and shoot take really good pictures of those things, and sometimes the look like garbage. Here are a couple from yesterday at a local state park.

    This what I consider a pretty good landscape:


    This is a not too bad close up:


    This seem to be the best landscape of the day:


    Here is what I call a so so of a deer through some trees:


    I just wish more of my pictures would come out a more like these. Perhaps I need a better camera and learn how to use it better. I always try to not use the auto setting on the point and shoot, Sometimes I have to guess at which mode to be in. And I try not to use the digital zoom, it tend to make the pictures look worse.
    Quote Originally Posted by bikeguyinvenice View Post
    Well obviously I am not a pro. So, you seem to know more than me, what was my errors in those pics from the state park?
    Critiques, not criticism.
    The first one needs a level horizon.
    #2 , the subject (the Maypop) is small and the background being in near focus is somewhat chaotic.
    #3 , is pretty good
    #4 , your autofocus locked in on the vegetation in the foreground and not the deer.

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    critique also, not criticism:

    rule of thirds rule of thirds rule of thirds

    #1 is slightly crooked, and needs something interesting. sure it's a nice open landscape, but, so what? the single tree isn't symbolic of anything. is it supposed to be a picture of the sky? or the field?

    #2 would benefit greatly from a macro lens

    #3 is the best of the bunch, but still, lacks interest. is has the biggest difference between the levels of the composition (lights vs darks) but the hanging branches on the left hurts the image instead of trying to help frame it.

    #4 as mentioned above, the focus is on the trees in front. the deer becomes secondary to look at regardless. needs to be tighter on the deer, leaving out some of the vegetation between you and it. taking it from a crouched position would also help it look more natural.
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    Here are some photos i've taken that are similar to yours (because lets be honest we've all taken photos like this!):
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    #3


    #4


    if you want to look through all my photography, my site is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rattleandhum/
    there are a lot of bike pics at the beginning, but just scroll past those, or view the sets: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rattleandhum/sets
    to pick something you want to see specifically
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    Cropping and color efex pro helps some....but this is my eye you need to develop your own. Take a moment and visualize what you want to capture before you take the photo. Learn how to adjust your settings to get that. Experiment with post processing. It's a journey, it can be a satisfying learning one, take your time.
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    Vive le Difference! or words to that effect, certainly no pun intended.

    But this is all Instagram like filter.

    Warming up cold eggs and grits at best, stop it.
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    It's not all about the camera, though in some situations it certainly helps to get the effect you're after.

    This shot was taken with my Canon S90, probably in full auto mode and has little to no post processing other than a mild crop:


    And this remains one of my favorites as well, taken with my old Canon XSi and 55-250mm, again with little processing other than crop:


    On the flip side, these wouldn't be possible with most P&S lenses:




    Experimenting with what ever camera you have and learning / researching some general photographic rules of thumb (rule of thirds, etc) will go a long way to making more of your shots turn out as keepers. If you are still wanting to take the plunge into DSLR's, might I suggest a read of the following blog post I did on my website a short while ago where I tried to give a short primer on some of the key aspects of dslr lenses: Crib Sheet #1 – Lenses. I also have a series of 'show and tell' posts where I discuss some of the hows and whys and whats that go into some of my shots, both before during and after the photo is taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    Vive le Difference! or words to that effect, certainly no pun intended.

    But this is all Instagram like filter.

    Warming up cold eggs and grits at best, stop it.
    No filters and nothing special, just quick uses of cropping, a little vignetting, contrast, shadows and detail in lightroom and saturation and borders in color efex.
    Instagram has its place. Doesn’t bother me that iPhones become the new Diana’s with a $2 app or that some find it compelling to quickly share moments around them on facebook etc. If a photographer sees it as losing their pedestal to ubiquitous photos that’s on them.

    I try to be encouraging. That attitude works in a positive way for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the sci guy View Post
    Here are some photos i've taken that are similar to yours (because lets be honest we've all taken photos like this!):
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    #2


    #3


    #4


    if you want to look through all my photography, my site is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rattleandhum/
    there are a lot of bike pics at the beginning, but just scroll past those, or view the sets: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rattleandhum/sets
    to pick something you want to see specifically
    Well those are what I would call great pictures. So now I ask what type of lens was used for number 2 & 4?
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    Here's my advice.

    Look at a lot of photography and find what you like. Study the photos that really strike you and think about what makes them great. Look at the composition and lighting. Look for the emotional elements in the picture. Look for the wow factor and try to emulate it in some of your own photographs.

    Look for extraneous matter in your frame and either eliminate it by moving, using a longer lens, a wider aperture, or some combination. Most great photographs are simple and clean - without a lot of distractions to take away from the subject.

    If you see soemthing you like, shoot it 10 different ways. Crop it tightly in the viewfinder then zoom out. Move -- don't always rely on the zoom to bring you closer to the subject...sometimes it's better to stay wide and use your feet.

    Get up high, get down low.

    Get out during the first hour after sunrise and the last hour before sunset.

    The rule of thirds is fine. Use it. Break it. (If you don't know what it is - divide your frame into thirds both vertically and horizontally. The four intersections of those lines are your strong points - try to have the main part of your subject there. Start with it there, then move it.).

    Take a lot of photos, but THINK about every one you take.

    Get out there, have fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeguyinvenice View Post
    Well those are what I would call great pictures. So now I ask what type of lens was used for number 2 & 4?
    a cheap (came free when buying the camera) quantaray 70-300mm, with macro, but obviously i did not use the macro setting on the rabbit lol

    actually i think the flower was taken with my kick ass tamron 28-75mm F/2.8. best walkaround lens ever. so sharp. so versatile. the short distance focus on it was phenomenal. almost approached macro settings.
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    This is a great thread. Any Sony DSLR users out there? I too want to upgrade from my P&S at some point. Currently leaning to either the Canon T3i or Nikon D3100 or D3200 at least in price range but am open to other brands in that range as well.
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    Also I saw sci guy's reference to "joy of photography". Any other good instructional books out there for the novice photographer? I've recently checked out a couple from the library "Idiots guide to Photography", etc but would be interested in other recommendations.
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    there hasn't been a newer version of the joy of photography in a long time i don't think - but if you can find an older copy (my dad has one from the early 80's) it's basically all still relevant, just skip the parts about developing film in a darkroom ha. but if you want to learn how to really use a camera, and use all it's settings, it's basically THE book to look through. my dad wouldn't let me use his old Nikon 35mm film camera until i read it.
    this is the one he has: http://www.amazon.com/Photography-Ea...of+photography
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    Quote Originally Posted by colorider View Post
    Also I saw sci guy's reference to "joy of photography". Any other good instructional books out there for the novice photographer? I've recently checked out a couple from the library "Idiots guide to Photography", etc but would be interested in other recommendations.
    I haven't looked at instructional camera books in a long while, but I highly recommend you check out every collection of work books that you can. Harry Callahan is my all time favorite photographer. Cartier-Bresson, my second.
    Noting improves composition better than studying the work of the greats.

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    Thanks guys.
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    I have shot a lot of wildlife photgraphy with high-end Canon equipment for getting on 10 years now. One of the reasons I went with Canon was their selection of lens and their price. Now they are way overpriced on lens, and their cameras are lagging behind Nikon in performance and innovation. If I had to do it over again, I would go with Nikon.

    As for where to buy from, you will get a much better deal from Amazon or B&H photography, and find a better selection. That is where I got all of my equipment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by colorider View Post
    Also I saw sci guy's reference to "joy of photography". Any other good instructional books out there for the novice photographer? I've recently checked out a couple from the library "Idiots guide to Photography", etc but would be interested in other recommendations.
    Lots of helpful books available. I’ll spend time in a good bookstore that has a large photography section and sit down to look through some until I hopefully find a few that look like they’d be good for me. A lot of times those bookstores are ones I visit when I'm in another large city.

    ‘Chasing the Light’ by Perello, ‘Mountain Light’ by Rowell and ‘Within the Frame’ by duChemin are books I’d recommend if you like books that will help refine photographic vision. I’d also try and find some books where photographers are writing about how they captured an image. There are lots with the ‘Photo Inspiration” by 1x.com being one series. Perello also has some podcast interviews with some interesting photographers at The Candid Frame

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    I'm going to restate here. You really WANT vibration reduction in any camera you buy. BEST advancement in camera's in 20 years. Buying a camera now without vibration reduction is like buying a camera without auto focus. For traditionalists only.

    For everyone else, price in a vibration reduction lens with Nikon and Canon camera's and THEN compare them with everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
    Lots of helpful books available. I’ll spend time in a good bookstore that has a large photography section and sit down to look through some until I hopefully find a few that look like they’d be good for me. A lot of times those bookstores are ones I visit when I'm in another large city.

    ‘Chasing the Light’ by Perello, ‘Mountain Light’ by Rowell and ‘Within the Frame’ by duChemin are books I’d recommend if you like books that will help refine photographic vision. I’d also try and find some books where photographers are writing about how they captured an image. There are lots with the ‘Photo Inspiration” by 1x.com being one series. Perello also has some podcast interviews with some interesting photographers at The Candid Frame
    Thanks CG. I'll look into that. I have one that is a compilation of Rowell, Frans Lanting, and David Doubilet - love their stuff.
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    Just go buy the first DSLR you see. You'll find out pretty fast what you don't want and it will be easier to figure out what you want after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aadhils View Post
    Just go buy the first DSLR you see. You'll find out pretty fast what you don't want and it will be easier to figure out what you want after that.
    this is a terrible idea
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    The book I usually tell anyone who wants to learn the basic of photography to read is Peterson's Understanding Exposure book:

    http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-...nding+exposure

    It covers the details of camera operations as well as tips on composition, when to catch the best light, etc.

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