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    Why I Scout

    This weekend reinforced so many of the reasons why I am involved in scouting. Top among them was this story.

    Several years ago I found a pocket knife in the dirt at our campsite. I asked around and never found the owner. I brought the knife home, cleaned it up and put it a 1973 National Scout Jamboree mug in my home office.

    Fast forward to this weekend. One of our leaders, an Eagle Scout himself, was teaching our Bear Cubs and Webelos about knife safety so they could earn their Whittling Chips, which will allow them to carry a knife at Scout Campouts.

    When he got to the part about the various types of knives, he pulled a multi-function knife on a lanyard from his pocket and explained that it was from Inks Lake State Park and belonged to his daughter. One of the scouts, who happened to be his son, said I used to have a knife like that but I lost it.
    I immediately knew who owned the knife. After the boys had cleared out, I told Mike that I think I had his sons knife at my house but I wanted to make sure.

    So Sunday when we got home, I checked the mug and sure enough, the knife was still there, so I called Mike to let him know. He drove his son over and sent him to our front door, not telling him why. Seeing that boys face light up when he got his knife back made my day and will be one of favorite memories of scouting.

    The weekend was filled with great times, like watching my oldest son, who is a Boy Scout, return to his old Cub Scout Pack to teach a class on fire starting, or watching boys that I have seen grow from timid first graders to leaders in our Scout Pack put on a great camp fire program on their last camp out with us before they become Boy Scouts, to getting to lead a class on flag etiquette and retire a flag at the camp fire on Saturday night.
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    Great story. With so many negative things in the news lately, it's nice to read something happy. Your boys are lucky to have you as a dad.
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    As I see it scouting works when dads are involved. When not, I'm not that sure it works. Though it still might be a step up for the kids. (It is a sad situation when dads don't have enough time for their kids.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith99 View Post
    As I see it scouting works when dads are involved. When not, I'm not that sure it works. Though it still might be a step up for the kids. (It is a sad situation when dads don't have enough time for their kids.)
    Cub Scouts is parent driven. Boy Scouts is boy / scout driven and adult supervised. Funnily enough, I was talking to the father of an Eagle on Sunday as we broke camp and he said he purposely let Boy Scouts be for his son, and he did not get involved unless asked. His son Eagled and told his dad after the fact that he appreciated not being led / forced to do things.
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    I understand how you feel from my involvement in Soap Box Derby. I started out as a volunteer. My first jobs were to find enough haybales and put them on the track. During the race, I stopped cars at the bottom of the hill and lifted them onto trailers for the trip back up the hill. But before the end of my involvement, I was the technical director, running the race day events.

    Our Soap Box Derby local races were special, because we maintained a fleet of older cars that were given to poor kids to build and race and really reached out to them. The cars were weather-beaten and sun-parched from the desert heat, but they rolled. Our race director was given a special award at the world Soap Box Derby competition for this program.

    The first technical director of our local races was a retired man, he had the time and liked to help the families had build them at their homes and then he ran inspections at the town hall.

    When I came on board, I worked and we had to slim the program down, so his "inspections" became our "car-building clinics" where the kids could see what the other kids were doing, where I had a trunk full of free Soap Box Derby spare parts and we could inspect the car just as soon as it was done.

    This also encouraged parents who might not otherwise tackle building a derby car; because I and another volunteer were there to help them through any difficult parts, tools and parts were available. So there were car guys training their kids and applying all the secret tricks they learned about on the internet, and even better, poor single mothers who had never tried to make anything like a derby car, helping their kids. With us there to answer any questions and provide any spare part they could possibly need. We made it a pretty painless process and most parents and kids could finish the car in one session.

    The first TD and I both belonged to a club called the 222 Club, first organized to volunteer at the Palm Springs Road Races, members also filled out the rest of the year helping out at other events including the Soap Box Derby race day activities. The 222 Club also sponsored two of those older cars for the poorer kids; one in each class we raced. Neither had done particularly well in competition and both had reached the end of their racing careers. It was their last year to race. Seven years of being stored in the open in the desert had given one a permanent tan and the floorboards of both were parched by desert heat. But we told the kids that the important thing was how well you assembled it and how well you drove it.

    The first year I was TD, a miracle occurred. The races had been renamed to honor the first TD. His spirit was strongly felt that day. And by an amazing stroke, both the old 222 Club cars won in their classes, beating out the newer cars and were sent to world competition in Akron. People said that the the first TD had given them an extra push down the hill.

    The photo below is not our race, which ended after the passing of the race director, from a disease she contracted at the world derby meet, but it shows you what the cars look like. And over the years, we found that the girls generally did much better than the boys.

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    i am going throught he process to be a cub leader right now
    the training outlines ways to get the cubs involved in the planning
    but that has not been happening as far as i have seen

    however the real reason i am there
    is for an opportunity to ruin a treasured natural artifact
    in the name of safety

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier View Post
    i am going throught he process to be a cub leader right now
    the training outlines ways to get the cubs involved in the planning
    but that has not been happening as far as i have seen

    however the real reason i am there
    is for an opportunity to ruin a treasured natural artifact
    in the name of safety
    Your post rocks.
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    You are a good man Jsharr, your family and community are lucky to have you around.
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    Jeff, you're the man!
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    Guys, I am not the man. I am just a guy doing a job because someone asked me to and it was and is a job worth doing. I am far from the man.
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    Personally I think scouting and spending time with kids is important. There are too many kids that are not fortunate enough to have quality adults in their lives in the years that they form who they will become as they turn into adult. By that I mean too many kids that have only two parents that are too busy to spend time with their kids or perhaps only one parent that;s trying really hard to just provide the basics like a home to live in, clothing to wear and food to eat. When I was a kid I was never a scout, but spent many hours at the local boys club. I still remember those times spent there. Jsharr you're a good man.
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    I suspect Jsharr didn't post this thread in order to get praise; no matter I'm giving it and Jsharr take it... I am one of the few people left who see scouting for what it does for young men... too many people focus on the negative news and get wrapped up in the faith based message but bottom line, its a chance for young men to see what/how grown men should behave (and yes I know at times you probably get silly). I hope folks like you keep scouting alive and carrying on that message. It would be great to see your son grow up and do the same thing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artkansas View Post
    I understand how you feel from my involvement in Soap Box Derby. I started out as a volunteer. My first jobs were to find enough haybales and put them on the track. During the race, I stopped cars at the bottom of the hill and lifted them onto trailers for the trip back up the hill. But before the end of my involvement, I was the technical director, running the race day events.
    Great story Artkansas! Yep, you start off small and someone else sees your interest and asks you to help and I hope like me that you get so much more out of it than you put in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Great story Artkansas! Yep, you start off small and someone else sees your interest and asks you to help and I hope like me that you get so much more out of it than you put in.
    Well, one time I actually had my State Representative helping me move around hay bales. It may be the only time in my life that my representative actually did what I wanted.

    Not having kids, the derby was my kid-fix. It ended when I had to move for a job. There is no derby program here, and I am not up to running one.
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    Every footprint on the moon belongs to an Eagle Scout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulf View Post
    Every footprint on the moon belongs to an Eagle Scout.
    Unless the two that actually were Eagle Scouts bought everybody else's footprints, this factoid is baloney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cowbell View Post
    Unless the two that actually were Eagle Scouts bought everybody else's footprints, this factoid is baloney.

    11 of the 12 moonwalkers were scouts, ruling out the possiblity that ALL were eagles, but 91% of them were Scouts. That is pretty impressive.

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    Our scoutmaster was a tough German immigrant who left the homeland in the late 20's to avoid the looming disaster of Germany. He swam the Columbia River a half dozen times (about 7+ miles near the mouth and on the outgoing tide), made all of us swim at least a mile as part of our training, took us on countless camping trips (our troop set a record in the late '60's...63 camping nights in one year). And he literally made Eagle Scouts out of boys. He made sure that we had opportunities (attend summer camp, camporees/jamborees, Nat'l and International) but that we were skilled in survival. The Pacific Northwest was our training ground. We hiked the Cascades, canoed its rivers, camped on its islands, shorelines, woods. "Be prepared" saved my ass countless times in the future. I'm still proud to be one of his Eagle Scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jseis View Post
    Our scoutmaster was a tough German immigrant who left the homeland in the late 20's to avoid the looming disaster of Germany. He swam the Columbia River a half dozen times (about 7+ miles near the mouth and on the outgoing tide), made all of us swim at least a mile as part of our training, took us on countless camping trips (our troop set a record in the late '60's...63 camping nights in one year). And he literally made Eagle Scouts out of boys. He made sure that we had opportunities (attend summer camp, camporees/jamborees, Nat'l and International) but that we were skilled in survival. The Pacific Northwest was our training ground. We hiked the Cascades, canoed its rivers, camped on its islands, shorelines, woods. "Be prepared" saved my ass countless times in the future. I'm still proud to be one of his Eagle Scouts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    11 of the 12 moonwalkers were scouts, ruling out the possiblity that ALL were eagles, but 91% of them were Scouts. That is pretty impressive.

    http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreduc..._Scouting.html
    So the claim, as stated, was what? 17% true???

    http://space.stackexchange.com/quest...lk-on-the-moon

    I was a Life Scout, fwiw, but failed the interview for Eagle. According to my Father, they said I had "dangerous ideas" about religion. Which near as I can figure, came from me saying it was unlikely that every "other" religion in the world was entirely mistaken. They also had a very strange question about church attendance that tripped me up. But anyway, on balance my experience with the BSA was positive and I wouldn't want to discourage a good guy from participating as an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cowbell View Post
    So the claim, as stated, was what? 17% true???

    http://space.stackexchange.com/quest...lk-on-the-moon

    I was a Life Scout, fwiw, but failed the interview for Eagle. According to my Father, they said I had "dangerous ideas" about religion. Which near as I can figure, came from me saying it was unlikely that every "other" religion in the world was entirely mistaken. They also had a very strange question about church attendance that tripped me up. But anyway, on balance my experience with the BSA was positive and I wouldn't want to discourage a good guy from participating as an adult.
    Congrats on making Life Scout. Sorry to hear of your Eagle experience. What was your charter organization? That sounds pretty harsh to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    Congrats on making Life Scout. Sorry to hear of your Eagle experience. What was your charter organization? That sounds pretty harsh to me.
    The Overland Trails Council.

    It was strange. At the time, I thought I was right in line with all the "Great Spirit" stuff they'd pitched at the OotA ceremonies. The problem may've been that at the interview there were three or four ministers who I'd never laid eyes on. Needless to say, these were not the same guys who taught me how to start a fire or pitch a tent. Those guys were great.

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