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Will G 12-10-13 05:00 PM

iPad vs Mini
 
Going to buy an iPad or mini and androids aren't really an option due to limited aviation apps. Anyone out there have experience using both that could weigh in with an opinion? I'm leaning towards the mini due to the limited space in a Cessna but wondering if the screen size is big enough for other use.

bikebuddha 12-10-13 05:02 PM

It is but I would advise getting one of the new ones with the retina display. Much easier to read charts on,

Steve B. 12-10-13 05:18 PM

The retina's are very nice, but you can get a 16gig Mini WiFi only for $260 if you happen to be near a MicroCenter computer store. That's a hard to beat price and is close to the prices for decent Android units.

That said and as an owner of a Mini, the display on the retina is worth the money.

SB

the sci guy 12-10-13 05:31 PM

Mini w/ Retina FTW.
I don't have one, but when I do get one, that's the one I'll get. Small enough to use with one hand, but large enough to see things clearly.

Right now we have a 1st generation iPad. Thing feels huge and heavy. When I pick up the Minis in the Apple store it's like I'm picking up a sheet of paper.

njkayaker 12-10-13 08:01 PM

The iPad air is not that much bigger overall (or heavier) than the mini. Retina is going to be useful for maps. The larger screen lets you see stuff on the screen farther away.

Create cardbord mock-ups of the two sizes to see how they work.

EthanYQX 12-10-13 08:20 PM

Go for the retina display and the big one, IMHO.

For controllers in Canada, our training stuff is on iPad 2's now, and it's very difficult to read charts, frequencies, fixes, etc. without zooming way in.

kind of related, what apps are you wanting to use?

bjtesch 12-10-13 08:38 PM

How old are you and how good are your eyes?
How will you carry it?

I have an Ipad2 (full size, non-retina display) I like it just fine and to me it is not too big. I carry it in my briefcase very easily, I even have a small shoulder camera bag that carries my DSLR and ipad at the same time. If I was trying to carry it in a purse it would be too big (but I don't carry purses). If I was a student trying to carry it in a backpack I'm not sure how that would work, maybe it would be ok or maybe I would prefer the mini.

When I am actually using it, I don't think it is too big and I wouldn't mind if it was even a touch bigger. I think the mini would be harder for me to read.

YMMV.

Will G 12-10-13 08:55 PM

Probably going to use Garmin Pilot or Foreflight in small General Aviation aircraft. I've flown commercially and privately with an iPad 2.

EthanYQX 12-10-13 09:01 PM

Your eyes must be a lot better than mine, lol. I can't see a damn thing on my iPad 2.

AEO 12-10-13 09:09 PM

mini with retina is best, unless you are farsighted. Then the bigger one makes sense.

Will G 12-10-13 09:47 PM

Near vision is still good, distant vision requires glasses. I do miss the days of 20/15 vision. Leaning towards the mini. Reviews on the apps recommend 32GB for chart storage and updates plus 3G for the internal GPS.

jdon 12-10-13 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Will G (Post 16319051)
Going to buy an iPad or mini and androids aren't really an option due to limited aviation apps. Anyone out there have experience using both that could weigh in with an opinion? I'm leaning towards the mini due to the limited space in a Cessna but wondering if the screen size is big enough for other use.

Yeah, I carry a mini with me in the front end. I had it tested for depressurization up to 50,000 ft so Transport Canada is happy with it as an EFB. Contains flight ops library and I have worldwide Jepps on it. Bought a suction mount so it can be attached to a window out of the way. It is just a back up to the aircraft file server driven EFB's on the MFD's but it is nice to have for reference.

I find it big enough for everything else I use it for.

With Garmin Pilot, you will be impressed with ADS-B.

Will G 12-10-13 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jdon (Post 16319951)
Yeah, I carry a mini with me in the front end. I had it tested for depressurization up to 50,000 ft so Transport Canada is happy with it as an EFB. Contains flight ops library and I have worldwide Jepps on it. Bought a suction mount so it can be attached to a window out of the way. It is just a back up to the aircraft file server driven EFB's on the MFD's but it is nice to have for reference.

I find it big enough for everything else I use it for.

What else do you use it for? Any of that difficult to do with the mini vs the full size iPad?

jdon 12-10-13 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Will G (Post 16319963)
What else do you use it for? Any of that difficult to do with the mini vs the full size iPad?

If I don't feel like carrying a laptop, I use it to get online, waste time on BF :), Netflix and as a reader and music source. I don't find the size difficult. I have to wear reading glasses for everything so don't notice a difference with the mini. I have an iPad 2 but find it too big for the cockpit.

skijor 12-11-13 02:18 AM

Even after the recent Nexus 7 thread, I decided to go with the mini RD. Two big reasons, it will link with my imac, and more importantly, its OS is more stable. Granted, android isn't bad. But I have had some issues with my android phone. In nearly four years with my imac, I have had none. (Granted anything would be an improvement over MS...never again)
After one week with the mini, I believe I made the right choice. I do wear cheaters for most reading, including with the mini. But I likely would if I had got a full size tablet too.
I do like the mini's size even though, as has been mentioned, the ipad air is very nearly the same weight.

bikebuddha 12-11-13 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by skijor (Post 16320151)
Even after the recent Nexus 7 thread, I decided to go with the mini RD. Two big reasons, it will link with my imac, and more importantly, its OS is more stable. Granted, android isn't bad. But I have had some issues with my android phone. In nearly four years with my imac, I have had none. (Granted anything would be an improvement over MS...never again)
After one week with the mini, I believe I made the right choice. I do wear cheaters for most reading, including with the mini. But I likely would if I had got a full size tablet too.
I do like the mini's size even though, as has been mentioned, the ipad air is very nearly the same weight.

What kind of android phone did you have, I've found problems with every custom android I've used and absolutely zero using pure android on a Nexus device.

bigbenaugust 12-11-13 08:33 AM

We have a mini at home and size is not an issue at all. We got it as a gift... actually, someone got it for our kids and it got commandeered. :) While I would love to get a PPL and fly with it, I have only used it in the back of a few Southwest and Delta flights so far for messing around with the kids. But even for general usage, the size is fine. In fact, it makes the regular iPad seem just excessively large whenever I see one.

If it were my money (and I am not a pilot), I would have not bought an iPad, especially with the kids around. The thing is too precious.

njkayaker 12-11-13 09:06 AM

The new iPad air is significantly lighter and smaller overall than the iPad 2 and 3.

skijor 12-11-13 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikebuddha (Post 16320423)
What kind of android phone did you have, I've found problems with every custom android I've used and absolutely zero using pure android on a Nexus device.

HTC Evo 3D. Still have it. The problems have really not been that bad...nuisance type stuff. E.g. the default browser crashing repeatedly. I downloaded Opera, Chrome, and FF because of this problem. However, I've gone back to the default and now it's usually fine. I suppose something was fixed with an update. I would have been happy with the Nexus too, but would've wished for the extra real estate of the mini...26% bigger screen.

bikebuddha 12-11-13 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EthanYQX (Post 16319783)
Your eyes must be a lot better than mine, lol. I can't see a damn thing on my iPad 2.

+1 I'm selling my iPad 2 just because the screen resolution makes it really tough for me to use it as a tablet.

Steve B. 12-11-13 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skijor (Post 16320979)
HTC Evo 3D. Still have it. The problems have really not been that bad...nuisance type stuff. .

Yeah, I hate that nuisance stuff. Had enough of that on my HTC phone and Samsung tablet.

Now I have a iPhone and iPad Mini and don't have to deal with the typical Android nuisance stuff.

bikebuddha 12-11-13 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve B. (Post 16322094)
Yeah, I hate that nuisance stuff. Had enough of that on my HTC phone and Samsung tablet.

Now I have a iPhone and iPad Mini and don't have to deal with the typical Android nuisance stuff.


Most of the nuisance stuff comes in the form of custom android's that the manufactures cook up. Switch to pure android devices Nexus 7 & 5, has been an eye opening experience.

Steve B. 12-11-13 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by bikebuddha (Post 16322267)
Most of the nuisance stuff comes in the form of custom android's that the manufactures cook up. Switch to pure android devices Nexus 7 & 5, has been an eye opening experience.

If I hadn't been able to purchase a new-in-box Ipad Mini for $240, the Nexus 7 would have been my next choice. I think the competition in the Android world produces some really great products, the Nexus series an obvious example. I loved my Samsung Tab 7.0 Plus tablet, till Samsung pulled the plug on updates which left the device vulnerable to obsolescence due to software incompatibilities. There's less of that in the iOS world seemingly. As well the occasional wonderful Android devices (Samsung Galaxy S4 being a prime example) keeps Apple on it's toes with iOS 7 showing some features we might not have otherwise seen.

I do like the Apple phones and tablets but would be about as happy in the Android world, IF they would learn to stabilize a bit and support long term. AS a result I will never buy a Samsung.

Bakerb24 12-11-13 08:33 PM

Well I've never been in the cockpit of a Cesna, but I do have a new iPad air. I basically use it for getting on this site, Facebook and email. My wife has an ipad mini, which is way too small in my opinion. Just for my personal preference, I would recommend the iPad air.

Will G 12-11-13 09:02 PM

Ordered the mini. Hey, for you folks with androids, there is a free app called Avare that supports VFR navigation. Kind of fun to play with.


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