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    they wouldn't care who was on the plane if they were going to weaponize it
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdon View Post
    Regardless of the outcome, let's at least hope for closure for the family members of those missing.
    +1 ... what a nightmare for them all
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    black hole / worm hole .... too funny. what time was that on?

    I wonder if they are gonna get the guy from ancient aliens with big hair to help

    I like the English dude w glasses, the African American Pilot, and the Pilot with grey hair and sideburns. I also kinda like the pilot with the gigantic grey mustache and thick hair. can't help but wonder about some of these guys, is their eyesight still good? do they still fly? oh I also like the guy in the simulator who makes the young pilot try different things with the simulator.

    never mind how much is being spent searching, how much is CNN spending on converge? how much have they jacked their advertising spots?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snicklefritz View Post
    @unfiltered: but what about the fact that the deviation in the flight pattern was thought to have been programmed in? That would sound like there was malicious intent from the very beginning, electrical problems or not.
    The deviation being programmed in means approximately nothing. It just indicates he used the computer instead of the yoke, not that it was pre programmed. Could have been a situation where the guy knew exactly where an alternative was, or the approach fix was. Lots of pilots have a bailout fix in mind on usual routes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    We've come a long way since the 60's. The 777 has "anti-gremlin" capabilities. Just flip the switch at first sign of gremlin build up and you are gremlin free in seconds. The only drawback is a 3% increase in fuel burn.
    Flying a jet is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrozombie View Post
    Either way they're at the bottom of the ocean. R.I.P. People, R.I.P. Triple 7
    If they ever do find wreckage (either under water or on land) isn't it going to be hard to determine what caused the crash in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by no motor? View Post
    If they ever do find wreckage (either under water or on land) isn't it going to be hard to determine what caused the crash in the first place?
    Depends on how much wreckage and what it shows. Inflight fire or structural failure clues are usually easy to see. Engine status (running/not running) at impact is another very good visible clue that is easy to see.
    Flying a jet is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will G View Post
    We've come a long way since the 60's. The 777 has "anti-gremlin" capabilities. Just flip the switch at first sign of gremlin build up and you are gremlin free in seconds. The only drawback is a 3% increase in fuel burn.
    That is a Shat load of fuel, is it not?
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    watched some coverage on the treadmill at the gym during lunch. the families are going to have to go home. there is nothing major to be gained by remaining where they are. they are probably bonding with other families but only in a horrible way. if anyone finds anything they will let them know, the whole world will know. once it left the airstrip it was out of the hands of those on the ground. a tragedy of enormous proportion
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    That is a Shat load of fuel, is it not?
    It Serlingly is.
    Flying a jet is no different than riding a bicycle. It's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will G View Post
    We've come a long way since the 60's. The 777 has "anti-gremlin" capabilities. Just flip the switch at first sign of gremlin build up and you are gremlin free in seconds. The only drawback is a 3% increase in fuel burn.
    That's what the airlines want you to think!

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    They are presently searching an area 2500 km off the west coast of Australia after satellite images showed some possible debris... bad weather is hampering the search and the initial aircraft did not see any wreckage and ships have been sent to the area.

    They are hoping enhanced satellite pictures will show a better picture and data marker buoys have been dropped to assist in drift modelling.

    Still... this is still a needle in a haystack as the area is huge and the Indian Ocean is deep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    They are presently searching an area 2500 km off the west coast of Australia after satellite images showed some possible debris... bad weather is hampering the search and the initial aircraft did not see any wreckage and ships have been sent to the area.

    They are hoping enhanced satellite pictures will show a better picture and data marker buoys have been dropped to assist in drift modelling.

    Still... this is still a needle in a haystack as the area is huge and the Indian Ocean is deep.
    When I read that they are now searching 1400 miles SW of Australia, I went "WTF !".

    Then I remembered that the Australians have a very long range radar system called the Jindalee Sytem, also known as an Over-The-Horizon-Backscatter radar, that bounces the signal off the troposphere to ranges between 500 and 3,000 miles. The Aussie system is - in theory, able to detect large aircraft and ships out to 3000 kilometers, but has also been reported to be useful out to much further ranges, having watched a Chinese mainland rocket launch.

    So, it would not surprise me to learn that they were tracking for a while and is what made them start looking at satellite photos of a particular area and at a particular time.

    And some might recall that it took almost two years to find the black box and cockpit voice recorders from Air France flight 447, even thought they identified the crash location within 2 days.

    This is one is going to be a long time getting resolved.

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    That is pretty much the end of the world down there. The south Atlantic where AF447 went down is bad, but it's nothing compared to the southern Indian Ocean.

    He must have been on his way to the secret Nazi base under the ice in Antarctica.
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    My theory is the plane had a electrical failure and sudden cabin decompression. The pilots turned the plane around to return to some airport and were so occupied with the situation they didn't have time to send a mayday before they went unconscious. The planes systems recovered the plane from crashing and switched to autopilot. The plane flew on until it run out of fuel.
    That's the theory of Aussie aviation expert Dick Smith and to me makes the most sense. The coverage here is almost constant and they seem very confident of were in crashed.
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    Jindalee Operational Radar Network - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Some basic details on Jindalee (mentioned above) the "Over-The-Horizon" radar.

    I worked with a guy who had been involved with the project and he said that on a good day (ie atmospheric conditions) they could track the commercial marine traffic in Singapore harbour.

    Note that the suggested range and area for this system might cover part of the suspected flight path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbenaugust View Post
    That is pretty much the end of the world down there. The south Atlantic where AF447 went down is bad, but it's nothing compared to the southern Indian Ocean.

    He must have been on his way to the secret Nazi base under the ice in Antarctica.
    Or the secret Nazi base on the Moon.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jbchybridrider View Post
    My theory is the plane had a electrical failure and sudden cabin decompression. The pilots turned the plane around to return to some airport and were so occupied with the situation they didn't have time to send a mayday before they went unconscious. The planes systems recovered the plane from crashing and switched to autopilot. The plane flew on until it run out of fuel.
    That's the theory of Aussie aviation expert Dick Smith and to me makes the most sense. The coverage here is almost constant and they seem very confident of were in crashed.

    thanks for sharing that!
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    they gave up so quickly when they first thought they spotted debris up North, wonder why they are spending so much time down south.

    heard this morning the pilot made a cell phone call 6 minutes before takeoff. this should be good for a weekend of CNN coverage. wonder why this wasn't mentioned earlier. wonder what else hasn't been mentioned. no one is talking about the Iranians either, remember the stolen passports and who bought them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    That is a Shat load of fuel, is it not?
    Sounds like the Shat hit the turbine fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumrunn6 View Post
    they gave up so quickly when they first thought they spotted debris up North, wonder why they are spending so much time down south.

    heard this morning the pilot made a cell phone call 6 minutes before takeoff. this should be good for a weekend of CNN coverage. wonder why this wasn't mentioned earlier. wonder what else hasn't been mentioned. no one is talking about the Iranians either, remember the stolen passports and who bought them?
    I heard he had bacon and eggs for breakfast, a donut (rumor has it that it was chocolate coated and had sprinkles, unconfirmed) and extra cream and sugar in his coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    I heard he had bacon and eggs for breakfast, a donut (rumor has it that it was chocolate coated and had sprinkles, unconfirmed) and extra cream and sugar in his coffee.
    And the donut's name was Wilson.

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    Too many engines, looks like a 707 or DC-8.
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