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rumrunn6 03-26-14 01:20 PM

intriguing comments by a pilot who lost all 4 engines on a Boeing Jet saying they knew right away and it took 11 yrs for it to come out
Expert says pilot took Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 to 43,000ft and caused oxygen to run out | Mail Online


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Steve B. 03-26-14 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 16613876)
intriguing comments by a pilot who lost all 4 engines on a Boeing Jet saying they knew right away and it took 11 yrs for it to come out
Expert says pilot took Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 to 43,000ft and caused oxygen to run out | Mail Online


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One problem with this scenario is at the range the military radar tracked the flight, and with no transponder, the altitude estimates may be completely wrong.

More likely: A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet | Autopia | Wired.com

Steve B. 03-26-14 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Njbudman81 (Post 16610959)
If they really knew where the jets crashed they would have seats, luggage or bodies. Seat cushions are flotation devices. That jet would break apart on impact so there would be pieces. This just just seems like they want to wrap up the story because they just don't know. So I don't buy it. Whether it's disrespectful or not I don't care. There are plenty of dead people as the result of government cover ups.

The area they are currently searching is known as the "Roaring 40's". It's a region of the southern ocean that has no breaks in landfall for thousands of miles till Cape Horn at the southern end of South America. This is an area where the winds and waves build up to huge proportions and where finding debris from a ship is "problematic" to say the least. Yes they can spot debris from a satellite, but getting a ship to the location takes days and when they get there, the waves are at 40+ ft for most of the time so spotting anything is impossible.

As well and as has been stated in other posts, it's been 2 weeks for the debris to scatter a thousand miles.

If they find anything related to a crashed plane, I'd be surprised. If they locate the black box and/or cockpit voice recorders, it'll go down in history as a monumental feat.

jdon 03-26-14 07:25 PM

The "experts" you should be listening to are the folks at Inmarsat who calculated direction of flight and those at Malaysian Airlines who actually knew the fuel load and performance capabilities. Everything else is speculation.

himespau 03-26-14 08:27 PM

Stupid question, but could the pilot have seen a fire the suppression system couldn't stop, turned towards the nearest runway, got the masks to drop and said, "hey everyone, put these ****ers on because we're going to go really ****ing high and try to starve the fire so we don't die"?

jdon 03-26-14 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by himespau (Post 16615161)
Stupid question, but could the pilot have seen a fire the suppression system couldn't stop, turned towards the nearest runway, got the masks to drop and said, "hey everyone, put these ****ers on because we're going to go really ****ing high and try to starve the fire so we don't die"?

nope

Will G 03-27-14 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by himespau (Post 16615161)
Stupid question, but could the pilot have seen a fire the suppression system couldn't stop, turned towards the nearest runway, got the masks to drop and said, "hey everyone, put these ****ers on because we're going to go really ****ing high and try to starve the fire so we don't die"?

Fires on airplanes are scary. There isn't a whole lot you can do with it, you are trapped in an aluminum tube with it while it consumes your air and emits toxic fumes, and you are fanning it with massive airflow if the fire gets exposed to the outside. Two accidents come to mind, first, the Swiss Air 111 crash (Swissair Flight 111 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) in Nova Scotia and the UPS 6 (UPS Airlines Flight 6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) crash in Dubai. Both were fires. The Swiss Air crew entered holding to burn off fuel and ultimately were forced off the flight deck by the fire. The UPS crew made an immediate return but dense smoke made it impossible to see the flight instruments and the jet crashed near the airfield. Both demonstrate how absolutely chaotic and confusing an inflight fire can be with limited options and extremely limited time.

Flight attendants are trained to operate the fire extinguishers and fight the fire while keeping the flight crew informed of what is going on. Flight crews are trained to get the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible. Declare an emergency, point the nose at the nearest suitable airfield, run the airspeed to the upper limit, and get the jet on the ground.

Nowhere in training is it ever suggested to climb to starve the fire or dump the cabin pressure to do the same. The oxygen system for passengers is individual canisters. Remember the flight attendants saying "pull on the mask to start the oxygen flowing"? That pulls a pin on a canister that starts a chemical reaction generating oxygen above your seat and for your row only. These canisters are designed to provide oxygen as the jet executes an emergency descent following a rapid decompression from its highest cruise altitude to 10,000 feet. Run time on the canister is something like 7 minutes (some jets have a 12 minute requirement if they fly over high terrain like Greenland). Flight attendants have oxygen bottles that they carry and flight crew have an independent O2 system but with an even larger supply.

So, for all the "expert" opinion and WAG's (pilot term meaning "Wild A$$ Guess"), what actually happened on that flight deck remains to be see.

jsharr 03-27-14 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve B. (Post 16614914)
The area they are currently searching is known as the "Roaring 40's". It's a region of the southern ocean that has no breaks in landfall for thousands of miles till Cape Horn at the southern end of South America. This is an area where the winds and waves build up to huge proportions and where finding debris from a ship is "problematic" to say the least. Yes they can spot debris from a satellite, but getting a ship to the location takes days and when they get there, the waves are at 40+ ft for most of the time so spotting anything is impossible.

As well and as has been stated in other posts, it's been 2 weeks for the debris to scatter a thousand miles.

If they find anything related to a crashed plane, I'd be surprised. If they locate the black box and/or cockpit voice recorders, it'll go down in history as a monumental feat.

Here is a sample of what the southern ocean has to offer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhduxaGtNJ8

Artkansas 03-27-14 03:15 PM

The government of Malaysia is certainly doing a coverup. But I don't know of what.

Will G 03-27-14 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Artkansas (Post 16617542)
The government of Malaysia is certainly doing a coverup. But I don't know of what.

Incompetence. And they are failing at covering it up.

jdon 03-27-14 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Will G (Post 16617555)
Incompetence. And they are failing at covering it up.

:thumb:

rumrunn6 03-30-14 11:46 AM

heard they found a big dead jellyfish. outstanding ...

Njbudman81 04-01-14 06:25 PM

My theory is still standing.

bigbenaugust 04-01-14 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rumrunn6 (Post 16625623)
heard they found a big dead jellyfish. outstanding ...

Big enough to digest a 777-300?

Artkansas 04-01-14 09:15 PM

Mothra got them.

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...3/Mothra96.png

Will G 04-02-14 12:45 PM

Colonel Mustard in the Library with the Candlestick.

jdon 04-02-14 02:20 PM

worm hole. I have seen it before... on CNN

bike_forever 04-02-14 02:37 PM

This is a real tragedy none the less. It is another red flag for the commercial Airline industry to have more reliable tracking systems that do not have an override.

rumrunn6 04-02-14 02:42 PM

I think Russia and Iran heard about the impending Yellowstone Apocalypse and know they can do whatever they want cuz cuz soon we'll be lucky to be in a boat

Will G 04-02-14 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jdon (Post 16635839)
worm hole. I have seen it before... on CNN

The same rocket surgeons that had a caption at the bottom of the screen that said, and I paraphrase, "Jet was unable to maintain altitude with no fuel" CNN seems to have cornered the collection of village idiots.

jsharr 04-02-14 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Will G (Post 16636062)
The same rocket surgeons that had a caption at the bottom of the screen that said, and I paraphrase, "Jet was unable to maintain altitude with no fuel" CNN seems to have cornered the collection of village idiots.

They did not get me.

Will G 04-02-14 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jsharr (Post 16636084)
They did not get me.

It's just a matter of time, the right bait, and a big net. Pay no attention to strange looking stringy camo netting covering the sidewalk that the ice cold Dr. Pepper is sitting conveniently in the center of with the sign that says "Reserved for Jeff."

jdon 04-02-14 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Will G (Post 16636103)
It's just a matter of time, the right bait, and a big net. Pay no attention to strange looking stringy camo netting covering the sidewalk that the ice cold Dr. Pepper is sitting conveniently in the center of with the sign that says "Reserved for Jeff."

I will send some Cheesies Will. You can bait him with those.

Will G 04-03-14 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jdon (Post 16636872)
I will send some Cheesies Will. You can bait him with those.

Dang, Dr. Pepper and cheesies. Throw in some BBQ brisket and there ain't enough room on a 777 for all the Texans you could catch in a couple hours. I'll be ensnared around lunchtime.

jdon 04-03-14 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Will G (Post 16639913)
Dang, Dr. Pepper and cheesies. Throw in some BBQ brisket and there ain't enough room on a 777 for all the Texans you could catch in a couple hours. I'll be ensnared around lunchtime.

BBQ brisket! I might even show up.


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