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Astrozombie 03-30-14 09:11 AM

BS I'm with him, what's the point of a speed limit? What next "She should be doing 5mph OVER the speed limit in order to be in the left lane" NTM her turn was coming up. SPEED LIMIT, doesn't mean you have to be right on it at all times.
We don't see any other traffic so who says traffic was going faster than her? Less than normal would be one of us on a bike at 20MPH with 10 cars doing 40MPH, not just two people on the entire highway. She was doing no wrong, this aint the Autobahn!

+1 my uncle drives a giant Tundra and he's also a road raging guy just like this who does "break checks" and flips people off.

Now if it's late at night an entire Freeway is doing 70 and this lady was doing 55 then i might say she should be moving over to the right.

And i didn't notice anything passive aggressive about that guys post either......

e0richt 03-30-14 09:11 AM

[QUOTE=achoo;16625165]1) The driver of a vehicle must confine the course of the vehicle to the right hand half of the roadway if the roadway ...

(2) The driver of a vehicle proceeding at less than normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing must drive the vehicle in the right hand lane then available for traffic, or as closely as practicable to the right hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing a vehicle proceeding in the same direction, or when preparing for a left hand turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.[/QUOTE]

you should have no problems with someone running you off the road so good for you...

e0richt 03-30-14 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 16624572)
This was some 40 seconds earlier (at least, didn't see he turn the whole video, until she stopped). That is a bit too early. Almost one kilometer.

so let me get this clear... she was in the wrong for getting in the left lane 40 seconds before her left turn, and a kilometer before a left turn is too early (Im American we use miles so I checked how long a kilometer is: which is ~6/10 of a mile).

well, I think the stats speak for themselves: she's rude to make a left turn because it caused some JA in a pickup lose 40 seconds of time...

now the roads that I travel on: speed limit 55, speeds driven over 65 mph, one kilometer is a little over half a mile which would cause someone impatience for 30-40 seconds... oh my god, I can't even believe someone thinks that is a problem...

yeah, and I have been harassed by the truck drivers, while riding my bike (not because I was "in the lane") but just because I was there. It is interesting how they have large tires (causes more slap on the pavement), modified mufflers (to make sound similar to a motorcycle) and also feel the need to speed up (without moving over, I believe its to show their "dominance", but I can't say for sure), and they tend to be younger male drivers.

take that for what you will...

Slaninar 03-30-14 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fotooutdoors (Post 16624957)
I think you lost all credibility with this statement. Please edit your post to remove this sexist statement; the implicit assumption that women would categorically be worse drivers is not appropriate, nor founded to my knowledge.

That has been my experience. Women are worse at driving and playing football. Most of the women I've met.

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Originally Posted by e0richt (Post 16625318)
so let me get this clear... she was in the wrong for getting in the left lane 40 seconds before her left turn, and a kilometer before a left turn is too early (Im American we use miles so I checked how long a kilometer is: which is ~6/10 of a mile).

well, I think the stats speak for themselves: she's rude to make a left turn because it caused some JA in a pickup lose 40 seconds of time...

She was rude for hugging the left lane when others were trying to pass. If it were close to the left turn, that's normal, OK, but if it's one kilometer down the road, other drivers don't know (can't read her mind) that she's going to turn left. It is too far ahead. To them she appears to be just a slow moving vehicle staying in the left lane - which is not nice.


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Originally Posted by e0richt (Post 16625318)
now the roads that I travel on: speed limit 55, speeds driven over 65 mph, one kilometer is a little over half a mile which would cause someone impatience for 30-40 seconds... oh my god, I can't even believe someone thinks that is a problem...

yeah, and I have been harassed by the truck drivers, while riding my bike (not because I was "in the lane") but just because I was there. It is interesting how they have large tires (causes more slap on the pavement), modified mufflers (to make sound similar to a motorcycle) and also feel the need to speed up (without moving over, I believe its to show their "dominance", but I can't say for sure), and they tend to be younger male drivers.

take that for what you will...

This is your problem. :)

I'm sure there are a lot of jerks on the road. The guy from that video is one, IMO. But woman is also. She's either rude, or insecure about changing lanes, or a clueless driver not aware of what she's doing. The way she laughed at that guy mocking him was child like - in spite of him being a jerk.

e0richt 03-30-14 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 16625679)
She was rude for hugging the left lane when others were trying to pass. If it were close to the left turn, that's normal, OK, but if it's one kilometer down the road, other drivers don't know (can't read her mind) that she's going to turn left. It is too far ahead. To them she appears to be just a slow moving vehicle staying in the left lane - which is not nice.

actually, I think you have lost all credibility with this statement. you are warped.

polishmadman 03-30-14 01:33 PM

Here in Las Vegas, if you wait to be a half mile from your turn. You're cutting someone off and possibly missing your turn. I will be in the left lane a mile or sometimes more before my turn.

CrankyOne 03-30-14 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by polishmadman (Post 16625857)
Here in Las Vegas, if you wait to be a half mile from your turn. You're cutting someone off and possibly missing your turn. I will be in the left lane a mile or sometimes more before my turn.

On a road like this with that amount of traffic, she would have been fine waiting until a quarter mile or so to move over.

She probably could have moved over and maybe should have. HOWEVER, it appears that she was passing traffic on her right—the trucka** had to wait a bit to get enough space between her and the pickup truck on his right. SO, considering wet and slippery roads, her apparently traveling faster than at least some of the other traffic, her already being in the left lane from having just passed some traffic, and with a left turn coming up, I don't blame her for staying in the left lane. And I abhor people who block the left lane. But this looks, even to me, like she might have been reasonably there.

Slaninar 03-30-14 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by polishmadman (Post 16625857)
Here in Las Vegas, if you wait to be a half mile from your turn. You're cutting someone off and possibly missing your turn. I will be in the left lane a mile or sometimes more before my turn.

Where I've been driving - flashing turning signal before a junction was usually enough for someone to let you switch lanes and not miss your turn.

the sci guy 03-31-14 07:09 AM

folks, let's not nit-pick.
The lady could well have been in the right lane, but the real issue is the guy in the pickup acting like the typical big ****** in a pickup. He got what he deserved.

The end.

eja_ bottecchia 03-31-14 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by the sci guy (Post 16627591)
folks, let's not nit-pick.
The lady could well have been in the right lane, but the real issue is the guy in the pickup acting like the typical big ****** in a pickup. He got what he deserved.

The end.

^^^This^^^

locolobo13 03-31-14 07:52 AM

In Phoenix you have to plan your moves ahead. Signaling just before you need to move over and some people will make sure you can't get in. Just the way it is.

Perhaps off topic but I don't like to cut someone's nose off when moving back to the right. It looks like this guy did just that in the video. There was more traffic behind her. As soon as he had room to squeeze in he did. I don't feel safe cutting in front of someone with less than 2 car lengths between us. Hate it when people do it to me as well. Sometimes I am planning on going back to the right lane after passing someone, but impatient traffic behind me makes it impossible because they pass on my right before I can safely move over.

AlTheKiller 03-31-14 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by locolobo13 (Post 16627724)
In Phoenix you have to plan your moves ahead. Signaling just before you need to move over and some people will make sure you can't get in. Just the way it is.

Perhaps off topic but I don't like to cut someone's nose off when moving back to the right. It looks like this guy did just that in the video. There was more traffic behind her. As soon as he had room to squeeze in he did. I don't feel safe cutting in front of someone with less than 2 car lengths between us. Hate it when people do it to me as well. Sometimes I am planning on going back to the right lane after passing someone, but impatient traffic behind me makes it impossible because they pass on my right before I can safely move over.

Exactly. Around here the roads are clogged with people who care about nothing besides getting to that red light five seconds faster than anyone else. If you try to rely on the good graces of people in the next lane over to let you in as soon as you put on your blinker, then you will be missing a lot of turns.

I am a huge stickler for slower traffic keeping right, WHERE APPLICABLE. IMO, a two lane surface street, with cross traffic, and exits to either side does not count. If I'm going eighty mph in the left lane of a sixty five zone, and some hot Rodder comes from nowhere going much faster, I will do my best to get over and let him past, but I won't accelerate to unsafe speeds, or squeeze in a too tight spot. Just as faster traffic should expect some compliance, I would expect people to know they can't Pop out of nowhere and expect everyone to bow to their whim.

Slaninar 03-31-14 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AlTheKiller (Post 16628124)
I am a huge stickler for slower traffic keeping right, WHERE APPLICABLE. IMO, a two lane surface street, with cross traffic, and exits to either side does not count. If I'm going eighty mph in the left lane of a sixty five zone, and some hot Rodder comes from nowhere going much faster, I will do my best to get over and let him past, but I won't accelerate to unsafe speeds, or squeeze in a too tight spot. Just as faster traffic should expect some compliance, I would expect people to know they can't Pop out of nowhere and expect everyone to bow to their whim.

100% agree with you. That's my policy as well.

spare_wheel 03-31-14 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 16622645)
When faster traffic comes from behind, it is nice to switch to the slower, right lane (or left in Enlgand) and let them pass. Those who don't do it are being rude, inconsiderate.

Feh.

You know what I find to be genuinely rude and dangerous? Aggressively exceeding the speed limit and being in a "hurry" while driving a multi-ton heavy machine around other human beings. IMO, the woman was only being a good citizen by documenting this sociopathic behavior. Aggressive driving and excessive speed should be treated like driving under the influence.

Slaninar 03-31-14 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 16628473)
Feh.

You know what I find to be genuinely rude and dangerous? Aggressively exceeding the speed limit and being in a "hurry" while driving a multi-ton heavy machine around other human beings. IMO, the woman was only being a good citizen by documenting this sociopathic behavior. Aggressive driving and excessive speed should be treated like driving under the influence.

Both the woman and the man in that video behaved like jerks in my book.


As far as speeding goes: I often go over and under speed limits - making sure I can stop in the distance I can observe. If there's a truck parked by the road, I slow down in case someone jumps out behind the parked truck. If the road is clear and I can see potential hazards coming from sides in time - I sometimes do twice the speed limit, or more. Just making sure I can stop in time.

spare_wheel 03-31-14 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Slaninar (Post 16628547)
Both the woman and the man in that video behaved like jerks in my book.

The woman was in the left lane because she planned to turn left. IMO, the woman was a freaking heroine for documenting this raging cagers criminality.

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I sometimes do twice the speed limit, or more.
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Slaninar 03-31-14 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spare_wheel (Post 16628595)
The woman was in the left lane because she planned to turn left. IMO, the woman was a freaking heroine for documenting this raging cagers criminality.

Yes - she planned that turn like a week ahead. Then drove using her mobile phone. Real superhero. :D

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Myees. I also run red lights - regularly on foot and even on a bicycle! ARRR! :)

the_tool_man 03-31-14 01:23 PM

It takes two to tango. They both were pretty stupid. All he had to do was be patient. All she had to do was ignore him, get out of the way to the right lane, or signal her intention to turn left (assuming that was her intention).

I think what bothers me most is the reaction of the woman to his crash. She found it funny, when he could have been seriously injured or worse. She must be some kind of sociopath.

CB HI 03-31-14 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tool_man (Post 16628767)
It takes two to tango. They both were pretty stupid. All he had to do was be patient. All she had to do was ignore him, get out of the way to the right lane, or signal her intention to turn left (assuming that was her intention).

I think what bothers me most is the reaction of the woman to his crash. She found it funny, when he could have been seriously injured or worse. She must be some kind of sociopath.

And if the guy killed himself with that kind of driving in that crash and since he did not hit anyone else this time, it means some other life was saved in the future with him taking himself off the roadway. That is not a bad thing.

Think how much safer our roadways would be if every drunk and road rager killed themselves in single car crashes the first time. The sociopath was the guy in the truck.

katsrevenge 03-31-14 07:38 PM

There are lots of these two lane not-highway roads around here. It is common practice to pull into the left in preparation to make a turn as early as possible because if you don't you may not be able to get over in time.

And, I'm all for this type of driver getting some karma. Guys like this in trucks like this are often the worst kind of driver to be around. They are often as bad as the guy in the BMW or the soccer mom. I'd LOVE to see a video with a BMW wrapped around a pole after not stopping for a stop sign or something...

the sci guy 03-31-14 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tool_man (Post 16628767)
I think what bothers me most is the reaction of the woman to his crash. She found it funny, when he could have been seriously injured or worse. She must be some kind of sociopath.

she's not a sociopath. I would have laughed to. Because it's rare you actually see someone get their comeuppance. And when you do, you have to embrace it.

Like I said before, the guy got what he deserved. had he been injured, well, it was his fault. tough luck. you deserved and you did it to yourself by your own careless, and reckless actions. i have zero sympathy.

CB HI 03-31-14 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by katsrevenge (Post 16629787)
I'd LOVE to see a video with a BMW wrapped around a pole after not stopping for a stop sign or something...

Something like this.
Police: Speeding car Southeast victim ID'd

katsrevenge 04-01-14 01:15 AM

Moron kid is lucky he walked away from that. I'm wondering just how fast he had to have been going, damn.

When I typed that I actually had a particular car and driver in my mind's eye. A middle aged local guy whose devotion to his cell phone and lead foot has led him into the road way too close to me more than a few times.Getting T-boned by a soccer mom would be karmic justice.

the_tool_man 04-01-14 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16629713)
And if the guy killed himself with that kind of driving in that crash and since he did not hit anyone else this time, it means some other life was saved in the future with him taking himself off the roadway. That is not a bad thing.

Or perhaps he learned from his mistake and some other life was saved in the future anyway. Maybe he invents a cure for cancer, or antigravity. Or maybe he's an idiot, but one of his kids born years in the future will do something great. We could speculate all day. But the fact is, we'll never know what might have been.

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16629713)
Think how much safer our roadways would be if every drunk and road rager killed themselves in single car crashes the first time. The sociopath was the guy in the truck.

I agree that the guy was acting like an idiot. He was clearly being very selfish and impatient, and attempting to control the situation when he clearly could not. But the woman, in her own way, was doing the same thing, attempting to control the situation. She could have de-escalated the situation, but didn't. Her victorious celebration in the wake of his wreck was over the top, in my opinion. Something tells me she leaves a swath of pain destruction in her wake wherever she goes.

the_tool_man 04-01-14 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by CB HI (Post 16630236)

Article says the driver is in critical condition. Maybe someone should throw a party. <-Sarcasm


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