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Old 04-01-14, 10:05 AM   #51
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Agree with Science dude. Regardless of what lane she was in (he could have passed on the right) he was the one being dangerous and he paid for it and no one else got hurt. The end.
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It's amazing what people think they can get away with when surrounded by metal. These are the folks we encounter every day on our bikes. I'm grateful most of my commute is offroad.
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I agree that the guy was acting like an idiot. He was clearly being very selfish and impatient, and attempting to control the situation when he clearly could not. But the woman, in her own way, was doing the same thing, attempting to control the situation. She could have de-escalated the situation, but didn't. Her victorious celebration in the wake of his wreck was over the top, in my opinion. Something tells me she leaves a swath of pain destruction in her wake wherever she goes.
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If drivers are coming up behind you, that's the "normal speed of traffic."
She passed two vehicles to her right. One was a delivery van, the other was a white pick-up.
The flow of traffic is more or less the same speed as other drivers.

Just my opinion; these laws were never intended to be interpreted as "get out of my way" but they have become that to way too many. If you want to have a cart-blanch yield to any faster traffic then you'd also have to eliminate the speed limits. The two laws are at odds with each other.

i have serious problems with the distracted phone user driving. That said, IMHO the rager got his just rewards.
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Or perhaps he learned from his mistake and some other life was saved in the future anyway.
If he had learned his lesson, he would not have fled the scene.

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Something tells me she leaves a swath of pain destruction in her wake wherever she goes.
So the guy who does not like speculation from others, lays down some massive speculation himself.
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I've been driving a lot, and the guy in the pickup is the kind of person that just makes driving a pain. He's one of the (probably) 2% of drivers that thinks they are smarter and better looking than everyone else. They are going so fast that everyone has to get out of the way, even people that are going a little too fast. It's a recipe for road rage, and he really needs to be cured of it before he kills someone. The thing that seems to go unmentioned is that he cuts left so hard in front of her in order to threaten her. He really should be charged with assault. He easily could have killed a whole lot of people sliding across the oncoming lanes, all because of bad decisions he made

Yes, she's a little annoying, but well within normal driving patterns. When I lived in Utah, I lived off of U.S. 89, which is one of the most beautiful and dangerous roads in the U.S. I used to joke that people would be in the left lane because they needed to make a left turn that day. It's annoying, but that doesn't give anyone the right to try to do stupid crap and end up crashing themselves and others.
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I wonder if the guy is enjoying his 15 minutes of fame.
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If he had learned his lesson, he would not have fled the scene.



Should he have whipped himself?
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Old 04-02-14, 06:38 AM   #59
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If he had learned his lesson, he would not have fled the scene.
Certainly not a good sign. But not definitive, either.

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So the guy who does not like speculation from others, lays down some massive speculation himself.
Not particularly massive speculation, actually. It's a common conclusion for quite a few people, if you've done any reading outside this forum.

I don't have a problem with speculation, in general, provided it isn't put forward as fact. However...

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And if the guy killed himself with that kind of driving in that crash and since he did not hit anyone else this time, it means some other life was saved in the future with him taking himself off the roadway. That is not a bad thing.
I DO have a problem with someone using speculation to justify a line of reasoning that justifies or celebrates the death of another human being, just because they are rude, dangerous, or stupid (or all three in this case).
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I don't get why this thread is here, rather than in A&S, or philosophical questions. Seriously, do two wrongs make a right? Even if one is clearly wronger than the other?
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I always stay right except to pass on the highway, but it is very difficult when you are on a road where you will need to make a left turn, and no one will let you in, or actually speed up to block! Yep, just one more reason I ride to work; eight hours a day of driving is enough.
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She passed two vehicles to her right. One was a delivery van, the other was a white pick-up.
The flow of traffic is more or less the same speed as other drivers.

Just my opinion; these laws were never intended to be interpreted as "get out of my way" but they have become that to way too many. If you want to have a cart-blanch yield to any faster traffic then you'd also have to eliminate the speed limits. The two laws are at odds with each other.

i have serious problems with the distracted phone user driving. That said, IMHO the rager got his just rewards.
Absolutely right - the car driver was at WORST, being less than completely courteous.
And the video was taken by a passenger, not the driver. edit - there appear to be conflicting reports of this

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Old 04-02-14, 10:29 AM   #63
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Absolutely right - the car driver was at WORST, being less than completely courteous.
And the video was taken by a passenger, not the driver. edit - there appear to be conflicting reports of this
Conflicting reports or not, it's tough to get video from the driver's seat being a passenger. The thumbnail before you even start the video clearly shows it is from the driver's seat. Not only that, but the video swings completely throughout the entire car and shows not a single passenger.
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Old 04-02-14, 11:56 AM   #64
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I don't get all the victim-blamers who say she should have moved over. She was preparing for a left turn AND there were vehicles in the right lane! DUH!! What do you propose she do, slow down even more in order to move over and get behind the other vehicles (to enrage the tailgater ****** even more) or speed up well over the speed she was comfortable doing on the wet roads?

As to the filming, she was merely holding the phone up over her shoulder and pointing it back. She wasn't looking back, and was in fact paying attention to the road in front, according to her video description. So basically she was driving with one hand on the wheel. And how many times have all of us done that? A LOT for most of us. The ******'s actions and consequences still would have happened whether she had filmed it or not, whether she had both hands on the wheel or not.

I don't think she deserves any citations whatsoever unless her county/state specifically restricts all cell phone use in a car.

*edit* also that is a shortened, stolen version of the video.

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Old 04-02-14, 12:42 PM   #65
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I don't think she deserves any citations whatsoever unless her county/state specifically restricts all cell phone use in a car.

He's being charged, not her.

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As a result of her videotape, police have identified and charged the allegedly aggressive pickup driver.

He is identified as 33-year old Jeffrey White,according to WTSP.com in Florida. He has been charged with leaving the scene, reckless driving, and failing to wear a seat belt.
"It was my instinct to just grab my phone and start recording,” says the female driver who recorded it all, but doesn’t want her name printed, according to WTSP.

“I saw the guy in the truck get behind me…he was tailgating me, and I was getting a little nervous."
She says she didn't even get in trouble for shooting the video while driving, as the tape became police evidence to track down the aggressive pickup driver.
Quick, somebody go grab some of his Facebook screens where he brags about his mad driving skills.
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Thanks for posting that.

Looking at the full video, she had plenty of time to move over and should have moved over. The only reason for her to have remained in the lane the way she did and shot video is purely to enrage another driver. Yes, we wonder why we have the most dangerous roads of all developed nations.

She's not to blame for his crash, but she's just about as immature. She's lucky he wasn't anymore enraged than he was.

And vehicular cyclists think we should be riding bicycles on the road with people like these two?

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Just my opinion; these laws were never intended to be interpreted as "get out of my way" but they have become that to way too many. If you want to have a cart-blanch yield to any faster traffic then you'd also have to eliminate the speed limits. The two laws are at odds with each other.
They're actually not so much at odds in most situations and work quite well together in Europe and other areas outside the U.S. In Europe a cop knows that someone blocking the left lane is more dangerous than someone who is simply driving fast and that they're also leading to higher congestion. Cops are far more likely to pull you over for blocking the left lane than speeding (and passing on the right of another car will also get you nailed quite fast). Many countries also have higher speed limits on multi-lane roads than we do so speeding is not as common. The result is about a third the crashes and fatalities as we have.
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Old 04-02-14, 01:06 PM   #68
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I miss driving in Texas sometimes (see video of OP).

I miss driving in Germany more often though

fwiw, the bike is doing about 195mph when the ABT RS6 rolls by


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Thanks for posting that.

Looking at the full video, she had plenty of time to move over and should have moved over. The only reason for her to have remained in the lane the way she did and shot video is purely to enrage another driver. Yes, we wonder why we have the most dangerous roads of all developed nations.

She's not to blame for his crash, but she's just about as immature. She's lucky he wasn't anymore enraged than he was.

And vehicular cyclists think we should be riding bicycles on the road with people like these two?
At 0:02 or 03 you can just barely see a truck in the right lane. At about 0:50 you see the truck again, and she goes on to pass that truck plus a van that was in the right lane. That plus she was pulling into the left turn lane just after the point where the pickup ran off the road.

So having vehicles to her right, plus preparing to go left, explain to us how she should have or could have moved over?
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At 0:02 or 03 you can just barely see a truck in the right lane. At about 0:50 you see the truck again, and she goes on to pass that truck plus a van that was in the right lane. That plus she was pulling into the left turn lane just after the point where the pickup ran off the road.

So having vehicles to her right, plus preparing to go left, explain to us how she should have or could have moved over?
lane discipline people ... see the German video above ... people stay in the correct lanes
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lane discipline people ... see the German video above ... people stay in the correct lanes
yeah well you know... American drivers and all that
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There's no lane discipline around here. I see oncoming cars partly in my lane almost every day. I don't know what they are doing or why, but I wish they would stop it. A few weeks ago, several people were involved in head on collisions around the state, where one person drifted into the on-coming lane. In at least one case the on-coming vehicle was a semi.
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At 0:02 or 03 you can just barely see a truck in the right lane. At about 0:50 you see the truck again, and she goes on to pass that truck plus a van that was in the right lane. ...
With the earlier video I gave her the benefit of the doubt based on those two vehicles and her upcoming left. However, this one shows that she sat by that truck for over a minute or much much longer (there are no vehicles behind the truck that I remember) so she had more than enough time to move to the right and let the idiot behind her get by and to do that without inconveniencing herself. She was wrong in blocking the guy behind her and is fortunate that she didn't end up dead for her own stupidity.

It is people like both of these that make our roads so dangerous for people in cars and on bicycles.
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She passed two vehicles to her right. One was a delivery van, the other was a white pick-up.
The flow of traffic is more or less the same speed as other drivers.

Just my opinion; these laws were never intended to be interpreted as "get out of my way" but they have become that to way too many. If you want to have a cart-blanch yield to any faster traffic then you'd also have to eliminate the speed limits. The two laws are at odds with each other.

i have serious problems with the distracted phone user driving. That said, IMHO the rager got his just rewards.
Actually, in many states they are very much a case of if there is traffic behind you then you need to move over or "get out of the way" if you're the slower vehicle ahead. In many cases that is without respect to the speed limit. If slower, move over.

State "keep right" laws

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