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    Both the video-taker and the pick-up driver are complete 8zzhats.

    1) The pickup driver for tailgating is an *absolute idiot* - he should have simply passed when possible without tailgating - excellent depiction of road-rage
    (although he did accelerate to pass on the right).
    2) The video-maker is also an *absolute idiot* - not necessarily because she wasn't driving fast enough in the "passing" lane
    (though on non-highway/interstate routes it's not mandatory to move to the right when slower than prevailing traffic, it IS a common courtesy).

    She was an *absolute idiot* because SHE ACCELERATED WHEN THE *absolute idiot* TRUCK DRIVER TRIED TO PASS HER. For that reason alone, she gets the 8zzhat award.

    I've been driving for nearly 35 years and I've observed road-rage sky-rocket over the last 15-20 years (especially in the US where *time* is on everyone's mind - RUSH RUSH RUSH.

    I live in the US, but also lived in Central and South/East Europe for about 7 years. For the most part, drivers in Europe are better(?) because they generally pay more attention to common sense driving "courtesies". However, there is a tendency for drivers (especially younger males in my observations) there to drive too fast on roads with poor conditions and/or poor visibility (like passing on curvy/hilly roads - *especially* in the mountainous areas).

    On another note - I really like the guys pickup truck! It would be perfect for pulling our family camper and other towing/hauling needs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaninar View Post
    When faster traffic comes from behind, it is nice to switch to the slower, right lane (or left in Enlgand) and let them pass. Those who don't do it are being rude, inconsiderate.

    It doesn't matter if you're going (over) the speed limit or not - that's for the traffic cops to worry about. Maybe someone is sick, or in a hurry - or doing police work, whatever.

    Both drivers in the vid are jerks IMO.
    Weak. I prefer controlling the situation around me, especially when it involves some mid-life crisis in a truck who thinks he owns the road becuase he paid a shop to plug in a Banks tuner and weld on a coffee can exauhst tip. Cops are nice to have, but what crowded metropolitan area has enough cops staffed to worry about traffic violations often enough to catch all these idiots? Did the woman do something wrong? Probably. She definitely didn't do anyone good by posting the video for the public to judge her actions. However, the reason the idiot crashed is not because of the woman, it is his own fault. He is the one who decided to drive like a moron in a small sports car. That was his decision alone. He totalled his expensive truck, and deserves every bit of what he got. Does the woman deserve a ticket for driving unsafely? Sure. Does that somehow negate what the idiot in the truck did? No. If I was there I would have laughed at the guy as I called the cops on him.

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    Road Rage Karma caught on video by motorist with cell phone camera

    I was on CNN checking the status of the search for Malaysia Airlines MH370, when I came across this road rage video:

    Watch driver's road rage turn into instant karma - CNN.com Video

    This next link is the response days' later of the driver driver being tailgated.

    Driver who recorded viral road rage video speaks out

    Now, Considering that the road rage driver was arrested at his home a short while later, due partially to the video. But also other eyewitnesses. The fact that driver being harassed, actually took the video of the road rage, some people online are criticizing the videographer, of violating the law as well.

    But my reason for mentioning is because, near the end of the second video, the reporter says authorities said they would not have caught the driver, if it weren't for the video. So, When I was marginally rear-ended(the driver hit their brakes hard and by the time the inertia forced the truck to hit my back tire, it only pushed me into the next lane from the left lane without causing damage to me or my bike) me, I was thinking if I had a made a video of what happened the other night, would the authorities have given it the same consideration and looked for the road rage driver. Because, The next day, I happen to catch an officer leaving the local city police station and asked him.

    The officer said that he would have had to see it.

    Has anyone with a camera, encountered this kind of bias from the police?

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    An example of two idiots.

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    The tailgating motorist's reaction was typical, but the woman, who was videoing, says that she was preparing for a left turn, my question is that she passed one intersection, as well as with the length of the video, this indicates that she may want to shorten the distance she used to prepare for the left turn.

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    "The officer said that he would have had to see it.

    Has anyone with a camera, encountered this kind of bias from the police?"

    What kind of bias is this? IF the video existed, the officer said he would look at to see if it was actionable. ITs a normal answer for a hypothetical.
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    Uh, she was passing people in the right lane. Sorry she wasn't passing people *fast* enough for you. When the right lane clears, rager aborts his pass to pulls alongside to, uh, rage. Then he karma's his truck. He's also damn lucky he didn't connect with Magic Hat.

    More victim blaming.

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    Looks to me like the trucks accident was directly caused by the drivers poor driving, thats a consequence, not karma I'd say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
    Uh, she was passing people in the right lane. Sorry she wasn't passing people *fast* enough for you. When the right lane clears, rager aborts his pass to pulls alongside to, uh, rage. Then he karma's his truck. He's also damn lucky he didn't connect with Magic Hat.

    More victim blaming.

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    Looking at the video that was posted, I did not see any other vehicle in the right lane that was being passed, and under closer scrutiny, the road raging pickup driver lost control in a left turn lane. Not all road rage situations can be avoided, but many can be averted.

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    Look again.



    At 0:50 you finally see the truck she's passing.
    At 0:60 you see the pickup truck she's also passing.
    He "passes" in the right, cutting off the pickup truck to do so, then rages at her for 25 seconds. Then loses control at 1:27.
    Don't miss 1:34.
    The video ends with her in the left turn lane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howsteepisit View Post
    "The officer said that he would have had to see it.

    Has anyone with a camera, encountered this kind of bias from the police?"

    What kind of bias is this? IF the video existed, the officer said he would look at to see if it was actionable. ITs a normal answer for a hypothetical.
    I think the OP meant to say that the officer said he would have had to see the incident, not the video.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    I was on CNN checking the status of the search for Malaysia Airlines MH370, when I came across this road rage video:

    Watch driver's road rage turn into instant karma - CNN.com Video

    This next link is the response days' later of the driver driver being tailgated.

    Driver who recorded viral road rage video speaks out

    Now, Considering that the road rage driver was arrested at his home a short while later, due partially to the video. But also other eyewitnesses. The fact that driver being harassed, actually took the video of the road rage, some people online are criticizing the videographer, of violating the law as well.

    But my reason for mentioning is because, near the end of the second video, the reporter says authorities said they would not have caught the driver, if it weren't for the video. So, When I was marginally rear-ended(the driver hit their brakes hard and by the time the inertia forced the truck to hit my back tire, it only pushed me into the next lane from the left lane without causing damage to me or my bike) me, I was thinking if I had a made a video of what happened the other night, would the authorities have given it the same consideration and looked for the road rage driver. Because, The next day, I happen to catch an officer leaving the local city police station and asked him.

    The officer said that he would have had to see it.

    Has anyone with a camera, encountered this kind of bias from the police?
    Some states, like OR, allow for certain infractions to be prosecuted by the victims. Your state may or may not be one of those states. In OR, the police are required to assist in this, but are generally extremely unwilling to do so, at least according to the "cycling lawyer" in Portland who distributes pamphlets on how to do it.

    I'm not sure this reluctance is due to anti-cycling bias, laziness or a desire to not do "unusual" things that are outside the normal routine or some combination of those (and other) factors.

    There was a posting here last year from someone in the Midwest who successfully used his video to prosecute a scofflaw motorist who put him at risk. As I recall, the local authorities were quite helpful in his case. Perhaps there is something to the notion of Midwestern sensibilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    I think the OP meant to say that the officer said he would have had to see the incident, not the video.
    Yes, That is the whole point of my starting this thread. The Washington Area Bicyclists Association told me, I need to demand that the police take a report. With the number of 'infractions', I experience around here(and don't mention all of them), I would be just judicious as always. That sometimes 'legal retribution', doesn't need to go beyond calling a motorist an idiot. But times like a couple nights ago, I was wishing I had a helmetcam of the incident.

    Quote Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
    Some states, like OR, allow for certain infractions to be prosecuted by the victims. Your state may or may not be one of those states. In OR, the police are required to assist in this, but are generally extremely unwilling to do so, at least according to the "cycling lawyer" in Portland who distributes pamphlets on how to do it.

    I'm not sure this reluctance is due to anti-cycling bias, laziness or a desire to not do "unusual" things that are outside the normal routine or some combination of those (and other) factors.

    There was a posting here last year from someone in the Midwest who successfully used his video to prosecute a scofflaw motorist who put him at risk. As I recall, the local authorities were quite helpful in his case. Perhaps there is something to the notion of Midwestern sensibilities.
    There is a reluctance in this region. Most notably that I remember was when Natasha Pettigrew was killed in the Prince Georges County. While the female motorist was given time in prison for the hit-n-run, she only got a year in prison.

    Bicycles are called vehicles' in the state traffic code by the state legislature. But when a motorist kills a cyclist as opposed to another motorist. The motorist does not get sentenced to the same amount of time, that they would receive, if they killed another motorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_bill View Post
    Look again.



    At 0:50 you finally see the truck she's passing.
    At 0:60 you see the pickup truck she's also passing.
    He "passes" in the right, cutting off the pickup truck to do so, then rages at her for 25 seconds. Then loses control at 1:27.
    Don't miss 1:34.
    The video ends with her in the left turn lane.

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    I still see two people that need to improve their driving skills, one for anger management, the other on road diplomacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    I still see two people that need to improve their driving skills, one for anger management, the other on road diplomacy.
    Can you expound, on the lack of road diplomacy, of the videographer?

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    Just another fool driver with the IQ of a rutabaga. Serves him right.

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    This was posted here a few days ago. Do the news stations pay people to find stuff on youtube and just republish it? I wonder if they ask permission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rydabent View Post
    Just another fool driver with the IQ of a rutabaga. Serves him right.
    More like the IQ of a rotten apple with worms in it. Yes, It definitely serves him right. We didn't have to wait for his comeuppance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    Can you expound, on the lack of road diplomacy, of the videographer?
    Instead of grabbing for the phone and videoing, looking for a way to alleviate the tailgating would be a better choice, possibly speeding up or slowing down and moving to the right, or shorten the distance that they required to set up for the left turn, thereby shortening the time for any tailgating that may occur. The videoing motorist is fortunate that they were not caught up in the road raging motorist's dangerous driving actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    Instead of grabbing for the phone and videoing, looking for a way to alleviate the tailgating would be a better choice, possibly speeding up or slowing down and moving to the right, or shorten the distance that they required to set up for the left turn, thereby shortening the time for any tailgating that may occur. The videoing motorist is fortunate that they were not caught up in the road raging motorist's dangerous driving actions.
    There was traffic in the right lane, and she had a left turn coming up ahead. My guess is she was probably familiar with the road and would not have had a chance to get in the left lane if she were in the right lane at the point where the video started. Some roads just have crazy traffic and you have to get over much earlier than you normally might have to.
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    well dang now the original video has gone private. Guess she wasn't prepared to handle internet fame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 View Post
    well dang now the original video has gone private. Guess she wasn't prepared to handle internet fame.
    I checked. The original video did not go private.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 View Post
    There was traffic in the right lane, and she had a left turn coming up ahead. My guess is she was probably familiar with the road and would not have had a chance to get in the left lane if she were in the right lane at the point where the video started. Some roads just have crazy traffic and you have to get over much earlier than you normally might have to.
    When I do drive a motor vehicle, at times, it's usually on a similar road, similar speed, with my making a similar left turn, and with traffic that is denser than what I saw in the video, but still I minimize the amount of time spent in the fast lane since I watched this type of tailgating scenario play out many times between other motorists on this particular stretch of road in my locale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94 View Post
    well dang now the original video has gone private. Guess she wasn't prepared to handle internet fame.
    It has been removed from Youtube, and the video link in one of the posts states a copyright clause...hhhhmmmmm. The decision to keep all of my bicycle commuting videos for my own personal or for law enforcement viewing only, seems to have been a good one.

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    I listened to an interview with her after the incident. She's an troublemaker and knew exactly what she was doing. Two Bozo's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris516 View Post
    I checked. The original video did not go private.
    So the one I posted on the previous page wasn't the original? What makes you think that?
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