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    For the first time in ten+ years I am on a serious job hunt. It seems much has changed in that ten years.

    Last night I got an email from a company recruiter asking me to respond indicating when she could call to talk to me about the job for which I applied. I replied with a five hour range of time that would be good for me and then ensured that time was open to receive a phone call.

    I did not receive the phone call so do I:

    Send another email with other times that I am available?

    Request a face to face interview?

    Forget about and wait to hear from her with the expectation of never?

    Something else?
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    I'd do option A. Send an email to the recruiter with new times to talk. You never know what happened on that end. Imagine that it was events beyond their control. Avoid any snarkiness of course, act like it was a phone call that got cut off. You can use the moment to say a thing about why you are a good choice for the job and how interested you are in it. Don't go on and on, you just want to remind them of your best selling point.

    You never know what can happen. I sent in one application, didn't hear back from them for months. Then got some phone calls. Then got hired without an interview and was soon packing up for a flight to Iceland for training.
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    I don't know what your field is, but in the meantime there are online independent contractor work sites.

    But to your question, yes 'reach out' and express continued interest.

    Who knows? She could have had a life altering event or just a series of clogs.
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    So, what is your field?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bici_mania View Post
    For the first time in ten+ years I am on a serious job hunt. It seems much has changed in that ten years.

    Last night I got an email from a company recruiter asking me to respond indicating when she could call to talk to me about the job for which I applied. I replied with a five hour range of time that would be good for me and then ensured that time was open to receive a phone call.

    I did not receive the phone call so do I:

    Send another email with other times that I am available?

    Request a face to face interview?

    Forget about and wait to hear from her with the expectation of never?

    Something else?
    Yes, send another email ... but narrow the time range. In the email, say that you are sorry you weren't able to connect on the previous day (or something along those lines), and then inquire whether 1 pm or 2 pm tomorrow would work better for her.

    You might also add something along the lines of ... "I am looking forward to discussing this position with you. I feel that my skills in ___ and ___ would be put to good use with this company, and I have been impressed with [something good about the company to show you've done a little bit of research about the company]."

    Include both your email address and phone number in the email, and say that you can be reached on both.

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    I would definitely send a follow-up email. A lot of companies use third-party head hunters and they might not be the most responsive.
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    Ug... HR people and head hunters... the bane of real workers everywhere.

    I was just on a contract gig and the staff wanted to extend my contract... the execs signed approvals right away, knowing the time importance of the deliverables... but my extension sits on the desk of the HR folks that seem to move glacially... with apparently no regard for on time delivery.

    I have also had HR people show that they were totally clueless about what I do... as it simply does not fit into their predefined cubbyholes.

    Headhunters call me all the time for software jobs... I am a hardware engineer... and apparently those headhunters don't even bother reading resumes beyond contact info...

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    I too am looking for work. I am at month 2 and looking like its hit the lottery or leech off parents. One of the two. AHHHHH, either way not going hungry.
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    Yes, definately contact the recruiter and ask about another time slot. They might get a lot of applications for each job and you just have to call to keep yours (and your name) at the top of the heap.

    I work with the HR department at my employer and have to sit on about 2-3 interview panels per year. HR is notorious for overlooking the obvious and treating every recruitment (even highly specialized jobs) with a one-size-fits-all mentality. I've interviewed a lot of folks who don't even come close to qualifying for the job, and wonder (even complain) about how they got through the initial screening process. HR blames it on the web-based recruitment sites they use (and continue to use), and won't take any advice on how candidates for a job are selected.
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    HR and Talent acquisition teams are insane sometimes. I wanted to do something fast paced and outdoors for the spring and summer and applied for a car rental return person at the airport. All you do is check the car for damage, gas level, leftover items and the usual how are you , how was the car question. Told I don't have customer service experience and the job paid a whopping 9.80 or 30 cents over min wage, no benefits and but they do let you park for free. And get this the job had a 2nd interview to see if you qualify for this challenging job.
    Its no wonder many gave up looking for work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr9927 View Post
    HR and Talent acquisition teams are insane sometimes. I wanted to do something fast paced and outdoors for the spring and summer and applied for a car rental return person at the airport. All you do is check the car for damage, gas level, leftover items and the usual how are you , how was the car question. Told I don't have customer service experience and the job paid a whopping 9.80 or 30 cents over min wage, no benefits and but they do let you park for free. And get this the job had a 2nd interview to see if you qualify for this challenging job.
    Its no wonder many gave up looking for work.
    What, you didn't submit a vast resume of your long time experience of parking lot attendant, and bicycle watcher, and your many years of parking lot gate lifter, along with your extensive training resulting in many certifications. Don't forget to use key words in that resume: attendant, safety, safe, licence, and of course, upbeat, positive and computer proficient. Yup, all for minimum wage... Sheesh. (hence my gripe about HR people... sigh)

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    Yeah, I am going to see if there are any classes at my community college. Need to brush up on my how to read a gas gauge, look for stuff in a car and the hard part dents in a car. It wont be easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    What, you didn't submit a vast resume of your long time experience of parking lot attendant, and bicycle watcher, and your many years of parking lot gate lifter, along with your extensive training resulting in many certifications. Don't forget to use key words in that resume: attendant, safety, safe, licence, and of course, upbeat, positive and computer proficient. Yup, all for minimum wage... Sheesh. (hence my gripe about HR people... sigh)
    You forgot 'stakeholders', 'team player', and 'paradigm'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    What, you didn't submit a vast resume of your long time experience of parking lot attendant, and bicycle watcher, and your many years of parking lot gate lifter, along with your extensive training resulting in many certifications. Don't forget to use key words in that resume: attendant, safety, safe, licence, and of course, upbeat, positive and computer proficient. Yup, all for minimum wage... Sheesh. (hence my gripe about HR people... sigh)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MillCreek View Post
    You forgot 'stakeholders', 'team player', and 'paradigm'.
    Oh rats... well that explains the lack of response to my resume.

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    Did you hear back when you wrote the lady?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    I have also had HR people show that they were totally clueless about what I do... as it simply does not fit into their predefined cubbyholes.

    Headhunters call me all the time for software jobs... I am a hardware engineer... and apparently those headhunters don't even bother reading resumes beyond contact info...
    I've yet to be contacted by an Amtrak head hunter asking if I can drive a train, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.
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    make sure it's not a recruiter scam
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    So, what is your field?
    IT, most of my experience is in a healthcare setting but I am not necessarily looking to stay in that line.

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    Did you hear back when you wrote the lady?
    I got an email Monday morning with an apology. She wanted to call me later that day but Monday and today were insanely busy so I have a call scheduled for 1 pm on Thursday. After further investigation I see that it is a job that I would really, truly like to have, could probably do very well at but is not one that I am truly qualified for but who know what can happen.

    The institution that is getting rid of me is not content to lay me off, they demoted everyone in the department today to low level techs. This is presumably to reduce what they pay out in severance packages.

    I look forward to what comes next
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    Quote Originally Posted by bici_mania View Post
    I got an email Monday morning with an apology. She wanted to call me later that day but Monday and today were insanely busy so I have a call scheduled for 1 pm on Thursday. After further investigation I see that it is a job that I would really, truly like to have, could probably do very well at but is not one that I am truly qualified for but who knows what can happen.
    Good luck. I'm pulling for you. Your good attitude and working with them through this small kerfuffle may convince them that you are the one for the job. I hope so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bici_mania View Post
    IT, most of my experience is in a healthcare setting but I am not necessarily looking to stay in that line.



    I got an email Monday morning with an apology. She wanted to call me later that day but Monday and today were insanely busy so I have a call scheduled for 1 pm on Thursday. After further investigation I see that it is a job that I would really, truly like to have, could probably do very well at but is not one that I am truly qualified for but who know what can happen.

    The institution that is getting rid of me is not content to lay me off, they demoted everyone in the department today to low level techs. This is presumably to reduce what they pay out in severance packages.


    I look forward to what comes next
    A lawsuit? I would suggest that this sounds unethical if not illegal.

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    Update:

    My phone interview went well enough that I have a phone interview on Wednesday with the manager whom I will be working under, if that goes well I will get to have a behavioral interview in person. That sounds like fun.

    Sadly, I have not heard anything from any other jobs I have applied for two or three weeks ago. That is a huge let down. I am eager to move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bici_mania View Post
    Sadly, I have not heard anything from any other jobs I have applied for two or three weeks ago. That is a huge let down. I am eager to move on.
    Don't give up hope. I once got a job 3 months after I applied, and never did have an interview.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bici_mania View Post
    Sadly, I have not heard anything from any other jobs I have applied for two or three weeks ago. That is a huge let down. I am eager to move on.
    2-3 weeks is nothing.

    Last year, I went through several months of job hunting. I sent out 27 applications, and in Australia, the average application package is about 15-18 pages long consisting of a cover letter, a 3-4 page CV, and multiple pages addressing the selection criteria. I could manage 3 applications in a week ... and over the 27 applications, I would have put together a total of about 450 pages discussing how I could meet the needs of the organisation.

    Each week anywhere from 1-3 applications were sent off ... and each week I waited and waited and waited to hear anything. The shortest time period between submitting the application and hearing anything was about a month. Most of the time it was 6-8 weeks.

    Then I'd get a call asking me for an interview, and I'd be scrambling trying to remember who this was, and what the job was.

    So ... I wouldn't worry too much yet. There's still a decent chance you'll hear from someone.

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