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    My daughter wants one for her 18th birthday. Those light ones look good.

    Thoughts about transporting with a minivan ? She's 5' 9", but still worried about her loading by herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    My daughter wants one for her 18th birthday. Those light ones look good.

    Thoughts about transporting with a minivan ? She's 5' 9", but still worried about her loading by herself.
    mine is on sale for 180 at dicks. it is a great kayak for the price id even of payed 300. it may be heavy to load by one person

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    Quote Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
    mine is on sale for 180 at dicks. it is a great kayak for the price id even of payed 300. it may be heavy to load by one person
    Any idea of the weight ?? I can't find it listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
    Any idea of the weight ?? I can't find it listed.
    if i recall 38 lbs

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    My 36 year-old Easy Rider TSL 1 Kevlar "decked" touring canoe. Looks like a kayak but more of a canoe hull shape. Will haul ~900 pounds and can be paddled river or open water with canoe or kayak paddles. In easy water you can sit but normally you kneel. I've had her in some nasty weather and fully rigged out with spray sorts, she'll take a beating. ~ 70 pounds. I load her with a "canoe loader" I picked up at Cabela's. Basically a 2" receiver mounted T-bar with a pivot top that allows one person to load pretty darned easy. Pick one end up, tie the canoe (or kayak) on, then pick the other end up and pivot to the roof rack. When I was 23 I loaded her alone as in 2 hands overhead like a 16' long hay bale. Now that I'm 59 I appreciate the loader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EthanYQX View Post
    Here's a kayak question...would it be a horrible idea to jump right into a whitewater boat? I have next to no interest in sea kayaking, my plan would be to borrow my Dad's Necky Rip 12 to get comfortable paddling and then get myself something like this:

    Liquidlogic Kayaks

    This seems to be the kayak equivalent of an all mountain bike. So, am I crazy?
    If you want to paddle whitewater, getting a whitewater boat isn't crazy. I'm not sure that's a great "only" boat though unless you want to do expedition or big water paddling - neither of which you'd probably jump right into as a novice. That boat is made for getting down the river, with your own gear…but it's going to take a lot of skill to make it a playful ride.

    Liquidlogic has a weird lineup there. For years whitewater boats just got shorter and shorter, and went from displacement hulls to planing hulls. There is clearly a move back to interest in longer boats, and apparently back to displacement hulls as well.

    If I were starting out in whitewater I'd look at something like the Jackson Kayak Fun Runner.

    Paddling the Rip 12 should give you a good intro to whitewater, and help you get an understanding of what kind of paddling you're mottling interested in…or if it's even for you. The Rip was a pretty hot design when it came out…go take it out on some moving water and learn how it handles

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    Quote Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
    If you want to paddle whitewater, getting a whitewater boat isn't crazy. I'm not sure that's a great "only" boat though unless you want to do expedition or big water paddling - neither of which you'd probably jump right into as a novice. That boat is made for getting down the river, with your own gear…but it's going to take a lot of skill to make it a playful ride.

    Liquidlogic has a weird lineup there. For years whitewater boats just got shorter and shorter, and went from displacement hulls to planing hulls. There is clearly a move back to interest in longer boats, and apparently back to displacement hulls as well.

    If I were starting out in whitewater I'd look at something like the Jackson Kayak Fun Runner.

    Paddling the Rip 12 should give you a good intro to whitewater, and help you get an understanding of what kind of paddling you're mottling interested in…or if it's even for you. The Rip was a pretty hot design when it came out…go take it out on some moving water and learn how it handles

    White water kayaks or canoes tend to have smooth hulls, no vee/keel to the hull and rocker (hull sweeps up at stem and stern) so they can turn on a dime and cross current without getting caught by sharp edges (current, rocks, or trees). Open water/sea kayaks/canoes have less rocker, more v to the hull and track much straighter, hence some have rudders (though not all). I've modest whitewater experience though lots of flat water/sea kayaking experience. Where I live you've got to know winds, tides, currents, etc. to be a successful open water paddler and have the gear/body strength to get you out of (or not get you into) a bad situation. Our bay has drowned several paddlers. Neither craft is totally suitable for the other water type though my TSL-1 is considered a crossover but...I'd never dream of taking it in true class 4+ whitewater. Canoes require team skills (bow versus stern paddler). I highly recommend joining a club, taking paddling classes, or spending serious training time with an accomplished paddler. Sea Kayaker used to have a regular column of open water disasters. A harsh read. Openwater means just that; Open, lots of wind fetch, ability to generate soul crushing waves and or currents with no protection like lakes, bays, estuaries, ocean, etc.

    if you are going to jump into whitewater, take a class and try out different kayaks. Whitewater kayaks are fabulously maneuverable, quick & responsive. Miss a stroke and you can pivot 180 on the horizontal so fast your head will spin. You can learn to Eskimo roll, get used to getting wet!
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    Jseis makes a good point - don't try to learn whitewater, or big open water paddling on your own.

    When we started paddling whitewater we took an intensive five day course where we started he week in a pond and ended the week paddling class II water with one short straight shot through a Class III rapid. We had three instructors for 12 students.

    At the very least find a local club that holds some instruction days, but don't try to learn it on your own. There are some basic paddling techniques that are counterintuitive but critical. If you learn them, the water will work for you. If not, it will pound you - even fast moving Class I water can pin you against a rock with enough force to hold you there.

    And remember - the class rating in whitewater is pretty crude. A Class II-III river that is rated that way because of the speed of the water and the size of wave trains is MUCH different than a Class II-III that is pool/drop boulder garden type of water. And pictures of Class II or III water don't really give you the feel for what it's like to be in/on that water….not at all.

    Two last pieces of advice - if you do try whitewater…always give wide berth to downed trees. Always. And low head dams and pipelines may look SO easy to drop over…but they are seriously dangerous. I've done small waterfalls - 12/14 footers - but I steer clear of almost all low head dams.

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    Can you see the canoe shape carved into the tree. It's was carved out by Aborigines long before white people discovered Australia. They cut them from River Gum trees that live for a few hundred years or longer, this one is long dead. I found this while kayaking Chambers Creek.

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    So did they use the bark/wood they cut out to make a boat, or was that a sign for something?
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    From approx 10 years ago, my van is much modified now. The kayak is easy to load, there's a ladder roller attached to the rear rack. I rest the nose of the kayak on the rear door (with some protection) then lift kayak at the rear and roll it up. The harder part is getting the straps around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by himespau View Post
    So did they use the bark/wood they cut out to make a boat, or was that a sign for something?
    They used it for fishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by billyymc View Post
    If you want to paddle whitewater, getting a whitewater boat isn't crazy. I'm not sure that's a great "only" boat though unless you want to do expedition or big water paddling - neither of which you'd probably jump right into as a novice. That boat is made for getting down the river, with your own gear…but it's going to take a lot of skill to make it a playful ride.

    Liquidlogic has a weird lineup there. For years whitewater boats just got shorter and shorter, and went from displacement hulls to planing hulls. There is clearly a move back to interest in longer boats, and apparently back to displacement hulls as well.

    If I were starting out in whitewater I'd look at something like the Jackson Kayak Fun Runner.

    Paddling the Rip 12 should give you a good intro to whitewater, and help you get an understanding of what kind of paddling you're mottling interested in…or if it's even for you. The Rip was a pretty hot design when it came out…go take it out on some moving water and learn how it handles
    Thanks for the advice. The Remix was on my radar mostly due to the retractable skeg. Being where I am it's difficult to find a kayak dealer to look at this stuff, but I definitely think I'll go with a whitewater boat. It would be nice to be able to fish off of it but that's not a huge concern. Borrowing another Necky from a friend of my Dad's for next weekend so I'll be able to put a few hours in on that hopefully.

    Looks like I have more research to do.
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    We rented kayaks this weekend from The Trinity River Kayak Company. My 9 year old and I shared an Old Town Twin Heron. Twin Heron | Old Town

    Other in the group were in Old Town canoes. Saranac Family | Old Town

    The wife and I have been discussing getting a tandem to keep at my parents lake house. So what are the advantages of a sit on top kayak versus a sit inside kayak versus a canoe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsharr View Post
    The wife and I have been discussing getting a tandem to keep at my parents lake house. So what are the advantages of a sit on top kayak versus a sit inside kayak versus a canoe.
    And tandem was initially my wife's thought of what we would do. A little poking around on a kayaking forum led me to find that they are sometimes called "divorce kayaks". They might incite more fights than "quality time".


    Sit on tops are great if the weather isn't too cold (sit-in protects you from much of the water) and there aren't much in the way of waves. Sit-on-tops aren't really designed for much more than recreational paddling on calm waters. That being said...if that's all you'll do with them, they might a great option. Sit-in sea kayaks are the best option for true sea kayaking, especially if you might encounter big wind/waves. They also protect you from the water more so you can go in colder weather (though warmer clothing and wet/dry suits are still recommended).

    Since you live in central Texas, your paddling would likely all be fine with sit-in kayaks. Chat with me more offline if you want to discuss some stuff, bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    And tandem was initially my wife's thought of what we would do. A little poking around on a kayaking forum led me to find that they are sometimes called "divorce kayaks". They might incite more fights than "quality time".


    Sit on tops are great if the weather isn't too cold (sit-in protects you from much of the water) and there aren't much in the way of waves. Sit-on-tops aren't really designed for much more than recreational paddling on calm waters. That being said...if that's all you'll do with them, they might a great option. Sit-in sea kayaks are the best option for true sea kayaking, especially if you might encounter big wind/waves. They also protect you from the water more so you can go in colder weather (though warmer clothing and wet/dry suits are still recommended).

    Since you live in central Texas, your paddling would likely all be fine with sit-in kayaks. Chat with me more offline if you want to discuss some stuff, bud.
    i almost went with a sit on top .im glad i didnt

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    Quote Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
    i almost went with a sit on top .im glad i didnt
    I prefer my sit-in for most things, but I still want a sit-on-top so we can use that for some easy lake paddles with the pooch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    I prefer my sit-in for most things, but I still want a sit-on-top so we can use that for some easy lake paddles with the pooch.
    i think dicks has one for 2 hundred there haveing a sale on kayaks .im waiting for some bad weather so i can see how my kayak will do in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
    i think dicks has one for 2 hundred there haveing a sale on kayaks .im waiting for some bad weather so i can see how my kayak will do in it
    Yeah...there are a number of good places for those around here. Dick's, REI, Kayak Academy, SportCo, Cabelas, etc.... I talked to the wife, though, and we'll probably wait until next year. We're going to work on our paddling skills this year as we're pretty new.
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    That's lovely looking, C Law. I am waiting for my wife's next weekend off so I can take my oldest out and rent a couple out on the lake for a bit.

    Much like cheap bikes to bicycle enthusiasts, paddling enthusiasts seem to have the same opinion of the cheap $150-200 kayaks sold at Dick's and such. Are they that bad? I'm sure there is a big difference paddling a $150 10 ft kayak from Dick's and a $1000 14 foot boat, but wondering if it is as drastic as say a Walmart bike vs. cheap LBS bike? I still want a kayak in my future, but I'll probably have to buy 2 and probably wouldn't be able to spend much on them along with the rest of the needed gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrodgers View Post
    That's lovely looking, C Law. I am waiting for my wife's next weekend off so I can take my oldest out and rent a couple out on the lake for a bit.

    Much like cheap bikes to bicycle enthusiasts, paddling enthusiasts seem to have the same opinion of the cheap $150-200 kayaks sold at Dick's and such. Are they that bad? I'm sure there is a big difference paddling a $150 10 ft kayak from Dick's and a $1000 14 foot boat, but wondering if it is as drastic as say a Walmart bike vs. cheap LBS bike? I still want a kayak in my future, but I'll probably have to buy 2 and probably wouldn't be able to spend much on them along with the rest of the needed gear.
    i love my cheap yak its rated very welll 4.9 stars out of 5. its fast for its size it tracks well im always amazed at how long it keeps moveing after i quit paddling. sadly it went back up in price i payed 180 now it 230

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    Who has two thumbs and is planning on getting some paddle time in over the holiday weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite View Post
    Who has two thumbs and is planning on getting some paddle time in over the holiday weekend?

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    How about you?
    Lucky you. I want to get out on the lake with my oldest daughter, but that would mean renting and on a holiday weekend, would mean sitting around for hours waiting for rentals to come back. Been there done that before by myself and gave up and went riding the bike trail instead.

    Can't pass the time riding the bike trail because you would never know when the rentals that are out come back. Could be 5 minutes, could be 2 hours. Really itching to go kayaking and really need a nice day with just my daughter and I. Mom gets plenty of shopping days with just the 2 of them which gives me a lot of time with the youngest swimming, but hardly ever have time spent with just the oldest.
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