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Old 03-30-05, 11:49 PM   #1
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Totally unbalanced Ebay seller

So, I've been watching for a mid-80s Trek to replace one i crashed at the end of last season. I though I'd finally found one today, and emailed the seller (gulfveteran) to ask (and these are my exact words) "Will actual shipping charges apply, or is there a boxing or handling charge? Thanks!"

His response, word for word: "I would be happy if I could find some ebay fricken cheapskate lowlife bidder to pay actual. Boxes cost $20 opps that right I should donate those cause that isnt a cost in cheapskate bidders minds also. Madison wi is 1 hour there and 1 hour home and 110 miles OH YEAH free gas and time those should be donated too cause those arent really a cost. When I get a question like that your saying in reality. Are you going to donate your time gas and boxes to me and I want to pay the postage on the box and you to work your rear end off for me for free right cause Im a fricken cheapskate bidder and your a lowlife ebay seller. "

Note that we'd already had one friendly exchange about the bike's measurements. This was completely out of the blue. Is it just me, or is that an insanely hostile response, especially from a seller who appears to sell hundreds if not thousands of items every month?

Bleh. I'm getting really tired of this bike hunt... every time I find one that looks like it will work, the seller turns into a jerk - usually, they just cancel the auctions before close (private sales, I assume)... this is the first one who's ranted at me for no good reason!
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Old 03-31-05, 12:02 AM   #2
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I don't completely understand what he's saying, but I gather it's something about cheapskate bidders not wanting to pay shipping costs.

Maybe he had a bad day?
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Old 03-31-05, 12:16 AM   #3
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Obviously doesn't want your business. Packing, wrapping and posting items on eBay is hard work but that's the price to do business. Next time it may be worthwhile asking for the cost to send to 'xyz'. That way it's rather irrelvant what actually makes up the cost - it's just whether the cost is OK to you....
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Old 03-31-05, 12:53 AM   #4
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I think the guy was just bustin your balls... The bike is 99.00 BIN price.. Just ask for shipping quote to your zip code.. Packing bikes are a pain, so even if he charges a 20.00 handling fee it is still a good deal on the bike.. He has 10,000 feedbacks w/ only 12 negatives, that is an impressive record as far as sellers go..
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Old 03-31-05, 03:18 AM   #5
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you can ship a frame with fedex for 18 dollars...anything else is crap.
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Old 03-31-05, 05:54 AM   #6
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I wouldn't even bother with this guy.
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Old 03-31-05, 06:13 AM   #7
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no more beer for that guy
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Old 03-31-05, 06:39 AM   #8
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Old 03-31-05, 07:27 AM   #9
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Haha....We all have one of those days, don't we?
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Old 03-31-05, 08:18 AM   #10
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It gets worse! I responded with:
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Wow! That's a remarkably hostile response. The question REALLY was about my being able to estimate costs - I understand that there are costs involved in shipping, but there are also a lot of sellers on Ebay who dramatically exaggerate those costs in order to inflate their profits, as I'm sure you well know.

That said, what is your surcharge, so that I can determine whether your bike is reasonably priced at the buy-it-now price, or whether I'd better continue looking?
Which I think makes it clear that I don't *care* that there's a markup over what Fedex costs; I'd just trying to figure out what it's actually going to COST me! Quotes on shipping complete bikes on Ebay have run anywhere between $30 and $120; it obviously makes a big difference to my budget whether actual cost to me is going to be $130 or $220 or higher, or anywhere in-between...

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sit on my side for 5 minutes and I would have to remove all sharp objects
from close by and take all guns out of the house. Thats the problem no one
in this country takes any time to think about anyone except for themselves
never puts themselves in someone elses shoes.I had that question 2 million
times and it is from people that want everything done for free. how would
you determine actual, $25 per hour 37 cents per mile cost of boxes cost of
paypal and ebay fees those are the real actual cost, but that isnt what you
meant you me the actual postage paid only that is what you mean when you say
actual and the rest is colled donation. If you would look at my feedback
you would see I dont rip people off. I drive them to madison for free and
have the usp store that I have a contract with box and ship them for me in
bicycle boxes and it cost $65 which is way less than I would do it for or
could get one of my cheapskate buyers to do it for. As for ebay profits you
need to go to a local auction 95 percent of the stuff on ebay would bring
double at a local auction so I dont know where all these people that you
think that are making all this profit. I work 17 hours a day 7 days a week
with no vacations to make what a normal person doesn in 25-30 hours a week
and I know what Im doing some of the idiots out there are doing even worse
and lucky they have a full time job to cover all the losses on ebay. I dont
complain til I have cheapskates that even begrudge me of the little I do
make. thanks roger
Obviously, not somebody I'd do business with. The suggestion to more carefully word this question in the future (ie "quote to zipcode" instead of "fedex plus what?") is a good one... but I'm not sure it would actually solve problems in cases where the seller is genuinely out of his mind!
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Old 03-31-05, 08:22 AM   #11
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Old 03-31-05, 08:24 AM   #12
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What size trek are you looking for?
My old once was a 50cm, and too small (but fun!), so I'm really looking for about a 53cm. Any leads?
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Old 03-31-05, 08:29 AM   #13
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My buddy has one, but it is too big (58 or so I think). Good luck! They are sweet old school lugged steel!
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Old 03-31-05, 08:49 AM   #14
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I say you keep responding to him and keep posting his replies here...

this guy is a poet that needs to be heard...
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Old 03-31-05, 09:45 AM   #15
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I say you keep responding to him and keep posting his replies here...

this guy is a poet that needs to be heard...
Yeah! See if you can get some F-bombs. If you work hard enough maybe you'll get a death threat (or was that first sentence a weak death threat?).
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Old 03-31-05, 09:46 AM   #16
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Then at the end... send him a link to this thread!
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Old 03-31-05, 09:49 AM   #17
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The easiest way to spot early a seller whom isn't worth dealing with is to ask them a couple of questions. If they cut an attitude, I consider them successfully screened and keep looking.
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Old 03-31-05, 09:56 AM   #18
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Sent you a PM re: 53cm 1985 Trek 670.

the seller doesn't sound to stable to me. . .

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Old 03-31-05, 01:28 PM   #19
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...I say you keep responding to him and keep posting his replies here...
lol, keep questioning this guy.

he sounds crazy
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Old 03-31-05, 01:48 PM   #20
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Tell him that his business costs(ie gas, boxes, time) are not part of shipping costs and if he is loosing so much money he should raise his starting bid or reserve, or he could get his fat comicbook guy butt up from behind his computer and get a real job tossing lumber in a mill or unloading trucks in a warehouse like I do 16 hours a day.

I want see him
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Old 03-31-05, 02:03 PM   #21
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This guy reminds me of the surplus store owner in "Falling Down".
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Old 03-31-05, 04:52 PM   #22
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Old 04-02-05, 03:01 PM   #23
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I tried selling something on EBay couple yrs ago, NEVER again

Bidders know the price of everything and the value of nothing
Then I got charged for 2 listing fees and could never get that corrected, no amount of e mails allowed me to speak with a humanoid on the fone, and they had my cc#

Sorry for the rant...went sailing this AM wind came up unexpectedly, we got dumped,wet , dispirited cause we couldnt finish racing, drove home in wet clothes cause I read the weather forecast an it said a great So Fla day,so I didnt take xtra clothes, stupid me, Bah Humbug
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Old 04-02-05, 04:36 PM   #25
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you can ship a frame with fedex for 18 dollars...anything else is crap.
Apparently, you're the guy that ebay seller is ranting about. It's NOT just $18. Saying, "FedEx charges $18, anything else is crap," is, quite frankly, crap. I've sold a few things on Ebay and added the exact shipping costs. If I had a box sitting around and packing material (I move a lot, so I usually do) then I don't add for that. If I had get a bike box and material to put around it, then that would get added to the $18 or whatever the local "Mailboxes, Etc" charges for shipping. As for the time and effort, well, that part I do figure is incuded in the purchase price; you set your minimum reserve or min price at a point where you can accept it considering the effort it'll take you to box it up and get it to the shipper. But that's just me.
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