I use Opera on my phone and my PDA and I have it installed on all my other systems but I prefer Mozilla because overall it's more efficient to me in terms of screen real-estate for the free version.
it owns... sucking
the interface is crap! they make a linux version that isn't open source, I think it has 7 or 8 users
mind you, I have no problem with companies selling their products to make money and certainly enjoy software I have bought -BUT, it takes a certain amount of cluelessness to market a product to a demographic that doesn't buy software, and especially a product that even closed software companies give away (microsoft).
opera: "Hey linux guys. We know you don't buy software, and we know that browsers are normally given away, but please buy our browser for linux"
linux geeks: "no thanks"
Last edited by Serpico; 03-31-05 at 11:34 PM.
Gotta love being a mod Trying to sneak a poll with one answer....Muwhahahaha
Hahahah Whos the bigger sellout, the company built on the premise to make millions, or a product built to be open and free, but now wanting to make millionsIronic that linux is the most commercialised of all the unix-like OSes
Ironically I don't care. I have a use for everything. Well except anything built on system V...bsd all the way baby
I don't like the way system v setup files are organized...blurred but enough of a difference I can 'feel' it...
BSD and many SysV systems now use RCng or something akin to RCng for startup and configuration. Everything else is application specific which is portable between different OSes anyways. At this point, there's so much cross-pollination between SysV and BSD at the user level for most of the derived popular OSes that it's really not that big an issue. It's only at the kernel and driver level that there are major differences and even then the gaps are starting to close. Even filesystems are fairly well shared between most common BSD and SysV derived OSes.Originally Posted by Maelstrom
And then... there's linux...
Ok...I must admit my weakness..haven't touched unix in a few years. Only *nix I work with is controlling my ancient pbx's. But even then I am moving to avaya VOIP.
Yeah... I used to be with you in that I preferred BSD over SysV... especially at the user level. From a lower level standpoint, I think SysV has/had some definate advantages over BSD in some areas such as process scheduling and I think BSD has advantages in the networking performance. However, unless we're talking about pure BSD (not sure there are any of those left) or pure SysV /* SCO-cough-cough */ the difference between the OSes that are derived from either base Unix flavours borrow so heavily from one another that these days, it's hard to tell the difference. POSIX had a lot to do with it of course. OTOH, each of the various derived implementations (Solaris, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, HPUX, etc...) incorporate their own secret-sauce to distinguish themselves from just vanilla BSD or SysV.Originally Posted by Maelstrom
I hope to someday get back in the loop, but my career is pushing me heavily in a different direction. Doubt I will ever find the time to go back to unix in anything more than a hobby.
Curses, i've been foiled!
Maelstrom i'm going to bike over and kick your ass..!
P.S Goddamned april fools stuff makes it hard to read. I woke up and thought I was hallucinating... some giant barney under my name. I don't recall doing that.
Last edited by operator; 04-01-05 at 08:29 AM.
The interesting thing is that linux is huge right now in the commercial appliance world. I mean if you think about it, the penetration of linux into the consumer electronics market might actually make it the number one deployed OS soon. Hint: look at TiVo. That said, someday someone will have to educate me as to how linux and not something a little more sane like BSD got to be the top commercial unix-like OS. Although, I suppose there are plenty of BSD-derived embedded OSes fielded out there. And there are some that although not BSD-derived offer all the BSD APIs for development, are fully POSIX compliant and offer superior scheduling performance to the linux kernel.Originally Posted by Maelstrom
Back to the Opera subject. I have several portable devices that run embedded linux that came shipped with Opera so yes there are developers who both use linux and are willing to pay for browser code to ship in their products.
I think Oprah owns.
I think opera is an oppressive PITA.
I downloaded Opera a few weeks ago. I didn't like it the first time i saw it, so i stuck with FireFox.