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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
    I also wonder how riders are able to see properly when their headlight is flashing in the dark. Seems a rather odd way to me for a bike to be ridden.
    My understanding is the flashing light is for use during the day, never at night but as someone who rides at night alot, I see people using the flashing light. It actually serves no purpose FYI and is more distracting (especially to another cyclist coming hte other way) than anything else. Rule of thumb - flashing lights during the night, fixed lights at night. Also, multiple rear lights (one on the bike and one on the person) make it easier for drivers to see that a cyclist is ahead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
    So you think the police have the power to somehow rewire peoples brains?!?! My Dad was a cop... he wasn't aware he had that power. Actually even doctors can't change the way human brains are hardwired.

    So.... since the cops aren't behaving like you think cops should.... you now think YOU have the power to behave cop-like huh? I don't think so.

    And there is the rub! Nothing will change... because nothing CAN change.
    Human being are hardwired for a lot of things, as evidenced by the different ways people act around the world, depending on the society in which they reside and the sophistication and education levels of its people, among other things. Just because we may be hardwired to act barbaric or look out for our own preservation doesn't mean we can't change that.

    I also completely disagree regarding cops. They work for me. Were it not for my tax dollars, they'd have no job. I pay almost $800 a year in property taxes just to fund my local police department (it's specifically broken out as a line item). Cops are around to enforce the laws that society deems to make, not selectively enforce, not to make their own and not to be considered a different rung of society.

    I also don't see what's so hard, or needs divine intervention, to educate drivers. They may not pay attention, but they would if a few stiff fines and penalties were doled out. Just as I said after my encounter with a car, humans are in general not nearly as smart as we'd like to hope. They look out for themselves until they're forced to do otherwise. To think that someone driving a 2000+ pound vehicle shouldn't be held to a higher standard in terms of how they interact with someone on a 15-20 pound bike, to me is ludicrous.

    If a human brain can function fast enough for a person to hit an 90+ mph fastball, I think we're sophisticated enough for drivers to see a car. If you can't see one, you don't need a license.

    I honestly can't believe ​how much cyclists are willing to give up in this regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    Human being are hardwired for a lot of things, as evidenced by the different ways people act around the world, depending on the society in which they reside and the sophistication and education levels of its people, among other things. Just because we may be hardwired to act barbaric or look out for our own preservation doesn't mean we can't change that. ...
    Who on Earth filled your brain with that stuff? I really don't think we're in the same conversation/exchange at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    I honestly can't believe ​how much cyclists are willing to give up in this regard.
    I really don't think the world revolves around what you believe or whatever your beliefs are. Humans were humans long before you... and will very likely continue to be humans (and behave like humans) long after you're gone. I think the word you may have meant to use was ACCEPT. You fail to ACCEPT ​"how much cyclists are willing to give up".

    I myself.... I love cycling and have no difficulty understanding and accepting all the problems, dangers, and risks associated with what I am convinced is a blood sport.

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    ^ a "blood sport," but one where a cyclist like the op can't speak his mind when almost killed?

    pshaw pshaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Cutter View Post
    Who on Earth filled your brain with that stuff? I really don't think we're in the same conversation/exchange at all.



    I really don't think the world revolves around what you believe or whatever your beliefs are. Humans were humans long before you... and will very likely continue to be humans (and behave like humans) long after you're gone. I think the word you may have meant to use was ACCEPT. You fail to ACCEPT ​"how much cyclists are willing to give up".

    I myself.... I love cycling and have no difficulty understanding and accepting all the problems, dangers, and risks associated with what I am convinced is a blood sport.
    Dave, I never said the world revolved around me. But you and I -- and I think the vast majority of cyclists -- probably disagree on the issue of a "blood sport." Again, cops work for me as well as motorists and they're there to enforce the laws for everyone. Right now, what you have is a system that's predominantly set up to either say everything is no one's fault or the driver made a "mistake." When you really get down to it, you could say darn near every low-level crime is a mistake, so should we just reclassify everything?

    And by the way, my beliefs and those of others do have a dramatic impact on how my corner of the world revolves -- at least if I'm willing to participate in government and make them heard. Those who are associated with cops see things as very black and white, which is why someone who has that personality bend is often told they'd made a great cop. The problem with that is the world is full of situations where subjective judgements have to be made based on observations. That's where you want cops who are trained to do that around and you want them backed up by laws that make that possible.

    I just find the whole notion of a blood sport just utterly ridiculous. This isn't boxing for crying out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLinNH View Post
    And here I thought I did the right thing by being courteous and addressing the issue at hand.
    In my opinion you did fine. You were courteous and brought a SERIOUS issue to her attention. No need to apologize - in my opinion.

    Other OPINIONS may vary. If you feel like you did the right thing (before you were put in your place here...) then let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    .... I just find the whole notion of a blood sport just utterly ridiculous. This isn't boxing for crying out loud.
    I doubt you've ever boxed. And hopefully you'll never understand what I mean by the term blood sport. Checkers, chess, Go-Fish, Chutes and Ladders... THOSE are NOT blood sport. Cycling? Don't kid yourself!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    My understanding is the flashing light is for use during the day, never at night but as someone who rides at night alot, I see people using the flashing light. It actually serves no purpose FYI and is more distracting (especially to another cyclist coming hte other way) than anything else. Rule of thumb - flashing lights during the day, (FIFY) fixed lights at night. Also, multiple rear lights (one on the bike and one on the person) make it easier for drivers to see that a cyclist is ahead.
    During dawn and dusk, I use both a steady headlight and a flashing headlight. I want to see and be seen. And ditto on the multiple tail lights... one high and one low. Heck throw in a third as a steady light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafzali View Post
    Human being are hardwired for a lot of things, as evidenced by the different ways people act around the world, depending on the society in which they reside and the sophistication and education levels of its people, among other things. Just because we may be hardwired to act barbaric or look out for our own preservation doesn't mean we can't change that.

    I also completely disagree regarding cops. They work for me. Were it not for my tax dollars, they'd have no job. I pay almost $800 a year in property taxes just to fund my local police department (it's specifically broken out as a line item). Cops are around to enforce the laws that society deems to make, not selectively enforce, not to make their own and not to be considered a different rung of society.

    I also don't see what's so hard, or needs divine intervention, to educate drivers. They may not pay attention, but they would if a few stiff fines and penalties were doled out. Just as I said after my encounter with a car, humans are in general not nearly as smart as we'd like to hope. They look out for themselves until they're forced to do otherwise. To think that someone driving a 2000+ pound vehicle shouldn't be held to a higher standard in terms of how they interact with someone on a 15-20 pound bike, to me is ludicrous.

    If a human brain can function fast enough for a person to hit an 90+ mph fastball, I think we're sophisticated enough for drivers to see a car. If you can't see one, you don't need a license.

    I honestly can't believe ​how much cyclists are willing to give up in this regard.
    George Carlin had a great line for this: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

    The fact is that most of the population couldn't hit a 90MPH fastball to save their lives.

    And yeah, maybe we ARE sophisticated enough to see cars... but we'd like motorists to see bikes too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    George Carlin had a great line for this: "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

    The fact is that most of the population couldn't hit a 90MPH fastball to save their lives.

    And yeah, maybe we ARE sophisticated enough to see cars... but we'd like motorists to see bikes too!
    WTH does hitting a baseball have to do with ones intelligence?

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    ^^^This is why he gets paid The Big Bucks.

    Well done, DBA!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    My understanding is the flashing light is for use during the day, never at night but as someone who rides at night alot, I see people using the flashing light. It actually serves no purpose FYI and is more distracting (especially to another cyclist coming hte other way) than anything else. Rule of thumb - flashing lights during the night, fixed lights at night. Also, multiple rear lights (one on the bike and one on the person) make it easier for drivers to see that a cyclist is ahead.
    You correct again.

    And signal your intentions unless you are riding solo in outer space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    ^^^This is why he gets paid The Big Bucks.

    Well done, DBA!
    All I know is that if I could hit a 90 mph fastball, I wouldn't be a freaking DBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBA View Post
    All I know is that if I could hit a 90 mph fastball, I wouldn't be a freaking DBA.
    Ah! Another clue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsposo View Post
    Ah! Another clue.

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    Dumb Bike Addict.
    OK. Dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DBA View Post
    WTH does hitting a baseball have to do with ones intelligence?
    Let's try to follow the thread... OK?

    Post 34, that you responded to, is a response to post 27, which included the sentence:

    If a human brain can function fast enough for a person to hit an 90+ mph fastball, I think we're sophisticated enough for drivers to see a car. If you can't see one, you don't need a license.
    And BTW DBA... I agree with you... hitting a baseball has nothing to do with the ability to drive, or the ability to see and respond to a cyclist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Let's try to follow the thread... OK?

    Post 34, that you responded to, is a response to post 27, which included the sentence:



    And BTW DBA... I agree with you... hitting a baseball has nothing to do with the ability to drive, or the ability to see and respond to a cyclist.
    So, if you agree with me, why the response and clarification?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBA View Post
    So, if you agree with me, why the response and clarification?
    So you understand where the baseball comment came from... which wasn't from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    So you understand where the baseball comment came from... which wasn't from me.
    Because I'm bored out of my gored with little to do here at the office today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    ..... hitting a baseball has nothing to do with the ability to drive, or the ability to see and respond to a cyclist.
    Boy.... I am on your side of that. But if we're commenting on the human brain/body interface.... and some of it's fallibilities as it relates to cycling there is a "learning moment" here.

    Whereas we know the brain can be trained to high level performance like "hitting an 90+ mph fastball"... it would be foolish to expect such skill levels from the average person. The same with the skill levels of the average motorist. Scaring old women in parking lots, yelling at motorist, making obscene gestures.... none of that poor and childish behavior will raise motorist skill levels.

    As cyclists we are stuck with whatever the DMV (Dept of Motor Vehicles) lets out on the roads. It is what it is. Take it or leave it.

    I live in an area infested with deer. When cycling I began looking for and trying to spot the deer in the area. Now I rarely drive a mile without see a deer feeding on flowers or laying in shade. Almost everyone else (friends, neighbors, family) never see these deer. We cyclist are a bit like the deer... in some regards. We are there.... yet we are invisible.

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    My two cents: I don't think she intentionally tried to kill you, nor do I think she was aware of you. She very likely took a glance down the road, saw that it was clear and went... ignoring that pesky bicyclist, they're slow anyways...

    The trick here is to be aware of what is a common occurrence and be prepared for it. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've had motorists turn in front of me like that. Be prepared to slow down and carefully watch them as you proceed through the intersection.
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    Frankly I got tired of trying to teach motorists their responsibilities... they rarely listened, and often lied, defending their poor driving habits.

    I just got a loud horn. Wakes them up plenty well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genec View Post
    Frankly I got tired of trying to teach motorists their responsibilities... they rarely listened, and often lied, defending their poor driving habits.

    I just got a loud horn. Wakes them up plenty well.
    Where could one obtain a loud bicycle horn? I'm feeling a google moment here...
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