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Old 04-03-05, 03:26 PM   #1
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God rest Pope John Paul II

While I feel a touch of sadness that he's gone, I also feel strangely content. I feel confident that he led the church well for 26 years and has accomplished a great deal, especially in his work for world peace. I have little doubt that he died full of grace and I pray with confidence that God may forgive whatever faults he did have.

I wanted to start a new thread since the other was anticipation and speculation. As a Catholic, his death means something different to me than it does to many of the other people here, so I understand if what I've said is confusing or even disagreeable to some.
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As a recovering catholic, I feel it's God's punishment for getting involved in the Schiavo fiasco.
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Old 04-04-05, 10:33 AM   #3
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As a recovering catholic, I feel it's God's punishment for getting involved in the Schiavo fiasco.
That's inappropriate.

John Paul was clear about what he believed and while not all agreed, he spoke what he believed to be the truth. I salute his integrity. For a guy who started the job at age 58 and died at 84, he accomplished a great deal, and most, even those who disagreed, felt he was a good and holy man. Having met him, I think his impact will be much greater as time rolls on, because of his insight.
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The buffoons that consider themselves religious leaders in the US can learn a lot from Pope John Paul II.

Quite, compassionate dignity goes alot further than the hateful/fear mongering rhetoric and posturing of guys like Falwell, Roberts, Robinson, the Crouches, Sharpton, Jackson and the rest of their pathetic ilk.

He'll be missed
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I'm ambivalent. I am a Catholic who's attended Mass only once in years and that was for the funeral of our beloved parish priest. I was once very religious. I was an altar boy up into high school and seriously considered the seminary when I was a kid. There's a lot to admire about JPII, including his strong denunciation of communism and his globe-trotting missions for human rights.

But under JPII, the Church has become more and more conservative, fascist almost in some respects, and the shameful way the Church responded to the pedophilia crisis makes my stomach turn. Mostly I feel uncomfortable and unwelcome in what is supposed to be the Universal Church and now I attend a Lutheran church with my wife. I find quite a few "Roman refugees" there.

Finally, there may be an opportunity for the Church to move into modernity. But I doubt it since JPII picked something like 90% of the voting cardinals.

May God bless John Paul. And may God guide the College of Cardinals.
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I'm not a religious person, and I didn't agree with some of what the Pope did, but I did respect and admire him, especially for his efforts to reach out to other religions and travel to other parts of the world and give other members of the church the opportunity to meet him. Each time I went to Italy, I made a trip to the Vatican and saw him in person. Regardless of whether I agreed with everything he said, I had to say that his presence was an inspiring experience for me and did give me some hope about the Church. I don't ever think I will forget my experiences with the Pope, and I am sorry to see him pass, although I do know it must have sucked being so sick in the end. He's better off with his suffering over.
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Ummm...since he pretty much has a first-class ticket to heaven, what's all the praying for?
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Ummm...since he pretty much has a first-class ticket to heaven, what's all the praying for?
Not if he's been worshipping the wrong god.
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But they're all praying to the same guy he's been chatting with all these years.

Let's not let this turn into a religious debate, wrong forum for that.
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But they're all praying to the same guy he's been chatting with all these years.

Let's not let this turn into a religious debate, wrong forum for that.

Exactly. If you have to argue, there are other threads about the Pope you can take it to. This is a thread about paying respect, and if you can't do that, find the other thread in the Politics and Religion forum.

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Ummm...since he pretty much has a first-class ticket to heaven, what's all the praying for?
You never do know who a person really was when they died. It's a type of presumption. He could have despaired near the end and rejected everything. I suppose he could have even had a secret double life in Tiajuana. By the same token, the church does not presume that Hitler, or even Judas is in hell. In their final moments, they may have repented. I don't want to start a long tangent discussion, so I'll leave it at that. Besides, I rather suspect he got a first class ticket plus a personal chaufuer from the airport to the gates.

One of the things that has most inspired me is the effort he has put forth toward reunification with the Greek Orthodox church and cooperating with leaders from all other religions. Even the Dalai Lama (sp?) has spoken very well about him. I recently had a chance to talk to a Chaldean priest (a rite of Catholicism very similar to the Greek in ritual but still aligned with Rome) from Iraq. Being so near in some ways to the Orthodox church, he had especially strong feelings about that topic, and when we were talking about JPII, that was what he spent the most time by far discussing.
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