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    10.6% of products on Chinese sites of Alibaba, Amazon and others were counterfeit

    I just saw this article that did an investigative report on the counterfit items being sold as name brand on foreign web sites. I wonder if some of this showing up on US sites too...

    https://www.internetretailer.com/201...-chinese-sites

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    Wow, I'm surprised the numbers were that low. I generally assume that 100% of name brand items on Alibaba are counterfeit.

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    I refuse to buy any Chinese parts or products except in dire circumstances.

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    82.4% of statistics are made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg3rd48 View Post
    I refuse to buy any Chinese parts or products except in dire circumstances.
    Good luck with that!!! Does that include Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia or just China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by modelmartin View Post
    Good luck with that!!!
    +1 Trying to avoid buying any Chinese made item is a work of art in itself, for me it ended up being more of a case of frustration than satisfaction.

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    The other thing to ponder is why would one not buy from one country? I can understand if it is a question of human rights, economic malfeasance, etc. It makes as much sense to me as Minnesotans not buying something from Wisconsin! We need cheese and beer!

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    People actually buy from alibaba? Every time google redirects me there I just get quotes for buying things in bulk (and hence I've added the site to my personal blocklist so it never shows up in my google results.)

    You have to be careful when you buy things online. Look VERY carefully at the description. Look very carefully at the picture. Often times you'll find little tidbits of information that indicate that it is a counterfeit product. And lastly, if the price looks too good to be true... it probably is.

    I've never bought a counterfeit product I didn't know was counterfeit (and subsequently didn't care it was counterfeit.)

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    I just got a Fujian 35mm F/1.7 C-Mount CCTV Lens from China, it was $20 and its optical qualities are let's say unique.
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    Yeh I know it takes effort but I try. The other source countries are just fine with me.

    Quote Originally Posted by modelmartin View Post
    Good luck with that!!! Does that include Taiwan, Singapore, Indonesia or just China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
    +1 Trying to avoid buying any Chinese made item is a work of art in itself, for me it ended up being more of a case of frustration than satisfaction.
    A lot of fine products come from China, including Apple computers.

    Would people feel the same if Chinese people looked like us? No one can say for sure.
    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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    Has anyone received a fake item from the US-based site like amazon.com? or suspected one? I bought a pair of fancy jeans at bloomingdales and then the "same" pair in a different color from amazon. The material feels a little different and they don't fit quite the same way.

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    I think these counterfeits were from Chinese web sites that ship products to the US, not from Chinese manufacturers particularly. There are many Asian manufacturers that make high quality parts, and some retailers that sell counterfeit versions of these parts. If you are buying from US based sites the chances of getting counterfeit goods are much lower than 10.6% thankfully, but it still can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    Would people feel the same if Chinese people looked like us? No one can say for sure.
    I think so. The problem is the well earned reputation for rampant counterfeiting. I don't think it has anything to do with ethnicity. Yes, there are ethically challenged people in every market, but their outsized presence in Chinese markets is very real. I wouldn't try to avoid buying anything made in China, but I would avoid buying anything directly from that market. Apple knows what they're getting. I don't.

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    Amazon sells fake stuff? If so that sucks i buy from them a lot

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    I understand that the attitude to intellectual property is pretty much the same across all of Asia, except in Japan.
    You don't read my signature anyway, do you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwmckee View Post
    I just saw this article that did an investigative report on the counterfit items being sold as name brand on foreign web sites. I wonder if some of this showing up on US sites too...
    https://www.internetretailer.com/201...-chinese-sites
    OP; If one wants to dig for less obvious issues with things made in China.. Lets use as an example of Nike sneakers sold on Amazon (any elsewhere). Buy all the widths in a particular size. When they arrive measure them. Will most likely find that Narrow B through Narrow C will all be exactly the same shoe, excepting the label. Will find that Wide E is exactly the same as EE, EEE, and WWWW, widths. Fact is that they are only making 2 or 3 widths for each size and no one is doing quality control in regards to sizing. The shoes are indeed well made, but they don't fit correctly, so is that adequate quality control... if you wear a 9D, maybe so.

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