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Old 04-11-05, 03:52 PM   #1
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Anyone drink this tea? I've been finding it's a great alternative to coffee, and supposedly a lot better for you. Actually seems to give me a little more of a boost than coffee.
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i drink it daily G9, it's got lots of caffine, and not at all bitter. Celestial Seasonings sells it under the brand name "Morning Thunder" with a graphic of charging bison running across the praire. I like in the afternoon instead of a nap, yee haa!
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i drink it daily G9, it's got lots of caffine, and not at all bitter. Celestial Seasonings sells it under the brand name "Morning Thunder" with a graphic of charging bison running across the praire. I like in the afternoon instead of a nap, yee haa!
Is there a female bison at the other end of the praire?
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Hi,
First, Morning Thunder is a blend of STRONG black tea and Mate.
The stuff could wake the dead. I drank Mate for years. It's easy on the tummy. It's cheaper if you buy it in bulk a pound or more at a time. Never did get used to the taste. It may be slightly better for you than coffee, but they both do basically the same thing. So I'd expect the effect on your health to be similar.
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Is there a female bison at the other end of the praire?
I think that they are running to auditions for the job at Folsom Field, I hear that the interviews get really wild there!!
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First, Morning Thunder is a blend of STRONG black tea and Mate.
The stuff could wake the dead. I drank Mate for years. It's easy on the tummy. It's cheaper if you buy it in bulk a pound or more at a time. Never did get used to the taste. It may be slightly better for you than coffee, but they both do basically the same thing. So I'd expect the effect on your health to be similar.
Right you are, MT is a blend, I find it a bit better tasting. The first time I had mate was in a B&B in Leadville Colo., the inn keeper was from Peru. They served the tea in the gourd with a metal straw. The first thing I noticed was when I went to drink and noticed that the heat from the tea transfered nicely to the metal straw. Holy moly, burned my lips!! It worked it's magic alright, woke up and remembered my physics class on heat transfer, ouch!
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I like the smoky flavor of Mate, and I find the lift a bit better than caffeine. It is not as jittery as I get with coffee or Dr Pepper.
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I like the smoky flavor of Mate, and I find the lift a bit better than caffeine. It is not as jittery as I get with coffee or Dr Pepper.
Yeah, that's what I like about it... I get a lift from it, but don't get any of that coffee jittery edginess.

I've heard that the natural chemical in it isn't actually exactly caffeine, but a very close relative to caffeine.

One more thing I like about it is that it seems to me a more sustainable crop than coffee. I have a big problem with large scale conventional coffee plantations since they usually destroy rainforest canopy to open up area to grow the beans.

Guayaki has some good flavors, I've got Chai Spice right now.
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I've heard that the natural chemical in it isn't actually exactly caffeine, but a very close relative to caffeine.
According to Wikipedia that may not be the case:

Mateine is another name for caffeine. Its name comes from yerba maté, a caffeine-containing plant used as a tea. Many yerba mate enthusiasts insist that mateine is a a stereoisomer of caffeine and thus a different substance altogether. However, this is impossible; caffeine is an achiral molecule with no chiral centers, and therefore has no stereoisomers.
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"For many years, and even now, in some sectors, yerbamate' was (is) thought to contain caffeine. It turns out that mateine is not identical to caffeine; it differs from caffeine in some rather dramatic ways.

Some members of the scientific community still resort to calling mateine a South American term for caffeine, or to maintaining, in perfect knowledge of the falseness of the assertion, that two substances so similar chemically must have the same properties.

Slowly, they are being forced to acknowledge the distinction between mateine and caffeine.

Modern studies seem to validate the difference between mate' and other xanthines-containing plants, such as guarana.

Stereo-chemical and clinical work on xanthines in the last couple of decades have shown that, though similar in structure, the members of this class have widely varying pharmacology.

In fact, there is only one effect that seems to be shared by all trimethyl xanthines: smooth muscle relaxation. It is this action that makes them with the exception of caffeine, whose smooth muscle relaxant effects are diminished by other side effects, good clinical dilators of the bronchi and hence useful in the treatment of asthma."

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/yer_02.htm
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Yeah, but look at the structure of caffeine. There is no way for it to have a stereoisomer.
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I hate tea, Like I hate many other thigns but I won't get into that. I just hate the taste. Whatever happened to good ole coffee?
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Ofofhy,
hi, I don't know chemistry. I do know the buzz you get off Mate is quite different from tea or coffee. And that guy seems to be saying they are different in some way.

"Dr. Jose Martin, Director of the National Institute of Technology in Paraguay, writes, New research and better technology have shown that while mate'ine has a chemical constituency similar to caffeine, the molecular binding is different."

All I know is that they are different. Of that I have no doubt at all.
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All I know is that they are different. Of that I have no doubt at all.
When searching for Dr. Jose Martin at the NIT Paraguay (Google), one can find no hits other than the same article you quote plastered on several websites, word for word. There is an Instituto Nacional De Tecnologia y Normalizacion in Paraguay, but has no director named Dr. Martin.

A search of the journals of the American Chemical Society reveals 465 articles on "caffeine" and none on either "mateine", "matein", "mattein", or "matteine". (Royal Chemical Society 47/0, Wiley Interscience 995/0, Science Direct 4745/0) These are some of the most respected journals in the world for chemistry (and science in general), and one would expect that there would be at least one article on the discovery of a stimulant that has been mistaken for caffeine for so many years.

None of the major chemical suppliers (Sigma, Alfa, Pierce) offer any substance known as mateine for sale, but they do offer caffeine as well as other methylxanthines and popular dietary supplements (the infamour Red Bull taurine!).

From this I would have to conclude that mateine does not exist as its own substance, but rather is a synonym for caffeine.

Mate does contain some other chemicals that are not contained in coffee (supposedly theobromine is one of these). Perhaps the difference in buzz is due to these chemicals. Note my original post, I do believe that I get a different feeling from it. This I do not dispute.
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La Yerba Mate es originaria de la zona mesopotámica de Sudamérica (Paraguay, Brasil, Uruguay y Argentina) y en otros países se la consume come el té, pero acá se lo hace con el Mate y una bombilla y a esto se lo llama "sebar mate".
De todas formas tiene Mateína (Cafeína) y por lo tanto es igual que el café en cuanto a sus cualidades.

If you are intresting on it i can translate this and give you more information of how to "sebar" Mate.
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Yes,
I would like to know how to sebar Mate. Btw, I just found a website
with many different Mate teas to pick from. Here it is... http://www.buyyerbamate.com/home.php?cat=248&page=1
Any brands you like best?

Guys,
I tried the Republic of tea's Mate Latte this morning, and it was
pretty good.

http://www.republicoftea.com/templat....asp?navID=181

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You have a lot of type of “Mate”, i think that you can find it in USA.
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If you can’t find one don’t worry, you can use a cup of coffee.
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You will need a “Bombilla”, you will find different types, the best of them are made of silver (like in the picture).
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Now, put the “Yerba” in the “Mate” making a hole in a side.
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Put the “Bombilla” into that hole covering its base with “Yerba”.
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Now put cold water in the hold, absorb it but don’t drink it, spit it. This water will be full of “Yerba” dust.
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Then put hot water in the hole (and sugar or honey). Don’t use boiled water. (The “Yerba” with boiled water is called “mate cocido”)
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And that’s all. But you can go to your garden and looks for any mint leafs, put them in the mate; this will give a good flavour; or you can put dry orange or lemon peel.
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It will looks like the picture
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