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Old 04-13-05, 12:41 PM   #1
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Wisconsin takes step to OK wild cat hunts

Has anyone seen this yet. WTF!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science...ion=cnn_latest
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Old 04-13-05, 12:58 PM   #2
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Feral cats are responsible for huge decreases in songbird populations and transmission of rabies and other diseases. It is a needed measure in many states, not just WI.
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With basically no preditors to control the population huntin is an efficient way to control the population.

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My grandpa gave me the ol' Browning and ordered me into the woods one day, to shoot a group (herd?) of wild cats that were eating loons and ducks. Blammo.

Now I own two cats. Go figure.
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Wild cats are not the problem....People are the problem.
With every bourgious development that goes up or every once protected area that is destroyed for commercial gain and every new road that is built wildlife suffers. Of course being the most ignorant and useless species on the earth, mans only answer to the 'problem' is killing.
Disposing of developers and politicians that will solve peoples imaginary wildcat 'problem'.
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I don't think it's an imaginary cat problem. People certainly don't help. Now that so many domesticated cats have been released into the wild that their populations in the wild are out of control. It is believed that feral cats in Australia have wiped out the Letterwing kite and have reduced populations of the bilby to the brink of extinction. It has been estimated that feral cats in Australia eat in the order of 14 million little critters every day.

Also, if it's imaginary, then a mate of mine must have imagined up an incredible photo where he shot over 200 cats out of one mango tree in one night and put them in a pile nearly 2 metres high.

Even anti-hunters in Australia are calling for their arses to be kicked out of National Parks like Kakadu.
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how typically human of us... eh, screw looking for a better solution, just kill 'em.
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how typically human of us... eh, screw looking for a better solution, just kill 'em.


He says as he munches his chicken or burger
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Wild cats are not the problem....People are the problem.
With every bourgious development that goes up or every once protected area that is destroyed for commercial gain and every new road that is built wildlife suffers. Of course being the most ignorant and useless species on the earth, mans only answer to the 'problem' is killing.
Disposing of developers and politicians that will solve peoples imaginary wildcat 'problem'.
Why not just wipe yourself off the face of the earth to save the planet, then?
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People are the problem, for sure. A virus, we are.
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Feral cats are NOT an imaginary problem - but they ARE a problem caused by people. Anybody who releases a cat into the wild - or even lets their "pet" cat live outdoors - ought to be put down along with their animals. They're EXTREMELY damaging to native populations - the Audubon Society estimates that 60% of the songbird species native to the UK as of 1900 are now extinct as a result of cat predation.
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Why not just wipe yourself off the face of the earth to save the planet, then?
Here you go agreeing with me again, you wacky liberal, you!
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well as we develop more land we give nowhere for these animals to go and then complain, so what if we kill off all the wildcats? Whats next?
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killing for food is different than killing for sport. And too many nutjobs will be out there shooting cats for "fun". Sick fooks.
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Don't have the flickture but you wouldn't have to go to far to find similar shots. Cats are such prolific breeders and just effective hunters that they really will become a severe problem to smaller species. The Audobon Society has just scratched the surface.

The Government of Lord Howe Island recognised the problem and cats are prohibited on the island.

Some of Australia's most endangered species have been moved off shore to cat free islands in Torres Strait to protect them and start a breeding program. What for I don't know since they'll get wiped out if they try to return them.
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killing for food is different than killing for sport. And too many nutjobs will be out there shooting cats for "fun". Sick fooks.
This isn't killing for sport. This is killing to save other species. If there wasn't a population issue here, then there wouldn't be no hunting. This should be a message to all those people who think they are doing their pet turtle/fish/snake/whatever good by letting it run wild rather than getting rid of it through proper channels. This is what happens. Native species are overrun by animals that humans let go.

I am not a cat hater, in fact I favor cats over dogs! I have pet rabbits, but I still get the rabbit stew at our local Belgian restaurant. It is just somehting that needs to be done. Humans are the stewards of the earth. When things run amok (amok, amok, amok) we have to take care of it.
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Don't have the flickture but you wouldn't have to go to far to find similar shots. Cats are such prolific breeders and just effective hunters that they really will become a severe problem to smaller species. The Audobon Society has just scratched the surface.

The Government of Lord Howe Island recognised the problem and cats are prohibited on the island.

Some of Australia's most endangered species have been moved off shore to cat free islands in Torres Strait to protect them and start a breeding program. What for I don't know since they'll get wiped out if they try to return them.
Hawaii has the same problem with cats, native birds being wiped out. I'm all for controls for this man-made problem, these are not someone's pet, there is a real imbalance here. Other pests introduced to Hawaii by whitey, mongoose, mosquito, GI, sailor, tourist.
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Hey Shifty, do they still screen those "Pro-tourist" ads on TV on the island?

I remember walking around Diamond Head there one day and finding the Archery Club near those tennis courts. I watched for a while and listened to a bunch of the local boys talking about bowhunting cats on the road between Honolulu and Waipahu (sp?). Obviously those boys are having no affect.
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Hey Shifty, do they still screen those "Pro-tourist" ads on TV on the island?

I remember walking around Diamond Head there one day and finding the Archery Club near those tennis courts. I watched for a while and listened to a bunch of the local boys talking about bowhunting cats on the road between Honolulu and Waipahu (sp?). Obviously those boys are having no affect.
They sure do HaagenDas, and in several languages! Tourism is the major industry there, that and military operations. I was a a park one evening watching a bunch of kids put food in trash cans, when the cats came in, by the dozen, they shot them with air rifles. They must had 25 or 30 while I was there, when I left they were just getting started.
The people on Hawaii are really worried that brown tree snakes from Guam will find there way in. I guess that they really take over if introduced, I hear that Guam is a mess with them. I do know that military shipments between Guam and Hawaii are watched closely.
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In a way this is our fault, because there are to many people to damn stupid to spay and neuter their animals. The cat is not a native animal, were it not a common house pet they would be on the same order as kudzu and feral pigs. I hate to see them hunted just because someone will lose a pet over it at some point. Of course it will be some idiot that does not have a collar on fluffy or an idiot hunter that likes to shoot first and does not see the collar. At the same time if your animal runs loose and is killing other fauna on another persons property, tough titty. My Grandmother was a sweet old lady but she would shoot a cat stalking her bird feeders. It was just a spring action BB pistol, but the the thought was there.

As sad as this is this is the best solution for a people created problem

SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PETS.
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Merton, the idea would have been to have cats unable to reproduce running around. Then they would not be able to pop out twelve more kitties every six months and there would be no problem. Same deal for dogs. I don't want to see a dog shot either, but I have have pulled in twelve feral stray dogs on my land in the last couple of years. We send them to animal control or keep them, three right now.
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To late to try and neuter the ones in Australia. Cat trees are becoming a common site on outback roads though.
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I don't know Merton, by all means trundle out and see if you can find someone with a gun, cats aren't hard to find.
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WI has been getting a lot of press for thinking about it, but its already legal to shoot feral cats in most states. A lot of people don't realize their state has already permits it.
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