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    Mobile version?

    Possible to have a mobile version so the site can easily be viewed on a blackberry? Not sure how easy it is to add but just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Possible to have a mobile version so the site can easily be viewed on a blackberry? Not sure how easy it is to add but just curious.
    If you have a Google account, you can read the RSS feed from BF over Google Reader ( http://www.google.com/reader/view/#overview-page ). You can even access the original post from the reader. I use my Verizon networked Mobile Web enabled cell phone in this way.

    Unfortunately, so far, it's been hit and miss for me regarding making posts back to BF. It seems that the login times out or something while I hunt-and-peck my way through a message using the cell phone keyboard. If my answer is very short, I can get it through, usually.
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    Interesting concept, this being mobile and typing posts. I guess it's the immediacy of it as much as the need to say it before it's lost.

    Although it's true that it took Hemingway years and a few bottles to finish some times

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    Possible to have a mobile version so the site can easily be viewed on a blackberry? Not sure how easy it is to add but just curious.
    Don't hold your breath. You're overlooking the obvious.

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    The provider?

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    A mobile version would be something I'd pay for.

    A number of other sites I know of offer this--a "lite" version, with all the same content but with all the fluff gone. Mobile bandwith and CPU power are at a premium, and mobile web-enabled phones are proliferating every day. Many people (who have access to it) will view the lite version even on their home PCs just because it loads faster and is easier to read (-it's also less load on the server, too-). Many of the pages on bikeforums are 500-600-700kb, and it's not because there's that much actual content on them.

    One site I know of that does this offers a lite/mobile version) allows anyone to view the mobile version, but only allows paying members to post from it. The forum software also puts in a special sig that says "posted from mobile site", so that others who view the post are made aware that the mobile site even exists.

    General suggestions:

    ...minimal tables and no javascript for formatting, javascript only for page controls where necessary (navigation, posting, ect). Phones have tiny screens and formatting needs to be flexible so it can be viewed well in portrait and landscape mode.

    ...ads can still be used, but they are single-word, text-only HTML links. No graphics, no Flash at all. Any content graphics get a link, and ideally there's no graphics inline at all. One small banner of the site's name is acceptable but really rather unnecessary when you think about it--HTML text serves the same purpose with less bytes.

    Yea I know, it's not a quick or simple thing to implement--but it would be nice.
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    Hmm. Spend money to design and implement a feature that doesn't support ads, and only a fraction of a percentage of users would find useful.

    Don't hold your breath.

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    just buy a netbook

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauphin View Post
    just buy a netbook
    With Linux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    Hmm. Spend money to design and implement a feature that doesn't support ads, and only a fraction of a percentage of users would find useful.

    Don't hold your breath.
    Yea, who has mobile phones anyway? Almost nobody......

    I know implementing it costs money--but I am noticing more and more that sites are catering to mobile users (by offering low-bandwidth versions), it is LESS load on the server than the "normal" sites, and those of us with mobile internet capabilities are often willing to pay a fee for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug5150 View Post
    Yea, who has mobile phones anyway? Almost nobody......

    I know implementing it costs money--but I am noticing more and more that sites are catering to mobile users (by offering low-bandwidth versions), it is LESS load on the server than the "normal" sites, and those of us with mobile internet capabilities are often willing to pay a fee for it.
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    How many ads have you clicked on and made a purchase from your mobile device?

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    BikeForums looks & works just fine on my iPhone. This post was composed on my iPhone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rollfast View Post
    Interesting concept, this being mobile and typing posts. I guess it's the immediacy of it as much as the need to say it before it's lost.

    Although it's true that it took Hemingway years and a few bottles to finish some times
    Posting from a phone is not my preferred method of using the internet--but when your phone has the ability, you find yourself stuck with free time while going about your normal business. It's really easy to get used to having the internet in your pocket all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    How many ads have you clicked on and made a purchase from your mobile device?
    I haven't tried to buy anything on the phone yet, but lack of ads on mobile-friendly sites is not the reason. And anyway, if the site gets more paying subscribers, then they don't need the ads so much.

    Numerous sites already do have mobile versions, but you can't see that unless you go browsing with a phone. And mobile sites can have ads, but they need to be small bandwidth. Pretend everyone's on dial-up again!

    Quote Originally Posted by monogodo View Post
    BikeForums looks & works just fine on my iPhone. This post was composed on my iPhone.
    Yea it works on my HTC 4550 too. My two previous posts were also.
    The problem is the bandwidth use--or rather--the portion transmitted that is not directly related to the actual content of the page (-if you're in a big urban area you may be getting 3G and this doesn't matter so much, but most anywhere else is EDGE, and it does). Having a thread page with only 8-10 short posts that weighs in at nearly 1 megabyte isn't a problem for a DSL or cable home PC, but simply isn't going to cut it for most mobile users.

    Also the inflexible complex formatting of the regular site is a nuisance, as no phone screen is big enough to show it properly anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug5150 View Post
    And anyway, if the site gets more paying subscribers, then they don't need the ads so much.
    Are you high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauphin View Post
    just buy a netbook
    They need some kind of pack to carry. Handhelds don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    How many ads have you clicked on and made a purchase from your mobile device?
    The same amount I have clicked from my PC. Zero.

    And give me a break with the "it costs money thing". The site is now owned by Internet Brands. They can afford this given they own more then 90 major websites. Internet Brands already uses tons of features on other sites yet they refuse to bring a lot of it here. I bet they already have mobile versions on their other sites.

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    Revenue: $104 million (2008)

    Operating income: $19 million (2008)

    Net income: $11.6 million (2008)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    The same amount I have clicked from my PC. Zero.

    And give me a break with the "it costs money thing". The site is now owned by Internet Brands. They can afford this given they own more then 90 major websites. Internet Brands already uses tons of features on other sites yet they refuse to bring a lot of it here. I bet they already have mobile versions on their other sites.

    Internet Brands:

    Revenue: $104 million (2008)

    Operating income: $19 million (2008)

    Net income: $11.6 million (2008)
    No break for you. How did you determine that they can afford this on the basis of owning other sites? What's your logic there? Which of the other sites have mobile versions?

    It still costs money. Money for which there is no immediate return. When you get old enough for college, you should take a business course or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    The same amount I have clicked from my PC. Zero.

    And give me a break with the "it costs money thing". The site is now owned by Internet Brands. They can afford this given they own more then 90 major websites. Internet Brands already uses tons of features on other sites yet they refuse to bring a lot of it here. I bet they already have mobile versions on their other sites.

    Internet Brands:

    Revenue: $104 million (2008)

    Operating income: $19 million (2008)

    Net income: $11.6 million (2008)
    And how many companies that reported high net incomes in 2008 are still doing well today?
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    That income was from 90+ sites. And it was most likely generated on the basis of impressions served. The fastest way to more income is to not be so picky about what ads are run.

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    I also visited 20+ of Internet Brands sites via my iPhone, and not one of them came up with a mobile version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogodo View Post
    I also visited 20+ of Internet Brands sites via my iPhone, and not one of them came up with a mobile version.
    That's practically like stealing.

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