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    Large pictures messing up forum messages

    Apparently this problem with the Bike Forums software has been brought up here in the past, but I don't see it on the first page. Besides, the user who brought it up didn't get a satisfactory response, so I'll just start a new thread and bring it up again.

    If you don't know what I'm talking about it's this: Every time someone posts a picture wider than the message area, the message area just expands to accommodate the picture and you have to scroll back and forth to read each line of message text. Not only is this very irritating, but the board sponsors should also be annoyed, because their ads won't be seen unless someone scrolls all the way over to them. I've used Bike Forums for many years and seem to remember it was not always so. The pictures were automatically downsized to the width of the message area and only expanded to full size when you clicked them. I thought that was a cool feature of Bike Forums because most other forums I frequented didn't have it. Somewhere along the way this software was "upgraded" and this feature was discarded or broken in the process.

    Can this be fixed? Not only will it make thousands of users very happy, but the sponsors will get more hits.
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    Here's two threads from the first page that address this issue:

    Maximum Image Width.

    Post #12 brings it up.
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    I read those two threads (well I gave up in the first page of the first thread because some smart***** had inserted a 20,000 pixel wide image and I got tired of scrolling). I even downloaded and installed the Firefox Image Zoom add-on, but it won't solve the text problem; just lets you downsize individual images. We're still back at Square One. (Well, not exactly; as I said before, Bike Forums used to display large images no wider than the message area, but as some time that feature got broken.)

    I'm not asking that the board physically prevent large images being inserted, just display them the same width as the message portion of the screen. For my 1024x768 screen resolution, 800 pixels wide would be perfect, but it may not suit those using an 800x600 screen or those using gigantic CAD monitors or the new wide screens. It's unfortunate that nobody with the administrative powers or skills to fix the problem reads this sub-forum.
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    I've posted a link to the image resizer plug-in in another forum that the BF tech people read. Hopefully they'll take action.
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    We're working on it now.
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    Great!
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    And the coding is done limiting the width of an image. Let me know if there are problems, of sourse.
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    The change works, it is far better now. Thanks Tom!

    A suggestion for optimizing it somewhat to fit people who have browsers that can handle >640 width images, though not necessary (modifications bolded):

    Code:
    /***** force images in posts to have a max-width *****/
    .alt1 div span img, .alt1Active div span img, .alt2 div span img, .alt2Active div span img {
      max-width:98%; 
      width:expression(this.width > document.body.clientWidth ? ((document.body.clientWidth * 0.88) | 0): true);
    **
    The choice of 0.88 was somewhat arbitrary, but it should compensate for the sidebar ads.
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    Yes!!!!!!!!

    I just went back to this thread and it works.

    See what happens when we persist and explain the problem? While it could have been solved by everybody just posting smaller images, there's an awful lot of people out there who don't know how to do that and more newbies coming on board each day. Alas, it's a lot simpler to make things idiot proof than it is to educate new idiots each day. To bring this back to bikes, that's why index shifting was invented.
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    So can we have an option to show pictures more than 640?

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    Please listen to umd. 640 is so small. I'm all for picture resizing, but either take Crasts' advice above and make it screen dependent, or at least make the maximum 768.

    768 is a much better compromise. Over 86% of internet users have resolutions bigger than 1024x768.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatballer View Post
    Please listen to umd. 640 is so small. I'm all for picture resizing, but either take Crasts' advice above and make it screen dependent, or at least make the maximum 768.

    768 is a much better compromise. Over 86% of internet users have resolutions bigger than 1024x768.

    Thanks.
    According to Wikipedia:

    Resolution % of Internet Users
    Higher than 1024×768 38%
    1024×768 48%
    800×600 8%
    Lower than 800×600 < 1%
    Unknown 6%

    Looks like 1024x768 is the majority.

    This makes a 640 width just a bit less than the message area and everything fits without scrolling. If you really need to see more detail in the images, just right click and View Image and you'll see the original. Besides, the smaller initial images load much faster on computers and connections that aren't the latest and greatest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDYELLR View Post
    According to Wikipedia:

    Resolution % of Internet Users
    Higher than 1024×768 38%
    1024×768 48%
    800×600 8%
    Lower than 800×600 < 1%
    Unknown 6%

    Looks like 1024x768 is the majority.

    This makes a 640 width just a bit less than the message area and everything fits without scrolling. If you really need to see more detail in the images, just right click and View Image and you'll see the original. Besides, the smaller initial images load much faster on computers and connections that aren't the latest and greatest.
    Incorrect. The full image has to download regardless and the browser resizes it. The problem is that the browser's resizing looks like crap so every image is now a jumbled pixely mess. The image size complainers were a vocal minority. If there is going to be a size limit it needs to be an option. Period.

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    640 is tiny. As previously stated, the overwhelming majority of internet users operate at resolutions of 1024x768 or larger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bdcheung View Post
    640 is tiny. As previously stated, the overwhelming majority of internet users operate at resolutions of 1024x768 or larger.
    I'd like to see proof of this overwhelming majority. I haven't found it. This doesn't really inconvenience people running large monitors at greater than 1024x768, but displaying images wider than about 700 pixels makes everybody with 1024x768 scroll back and forth to read the text. Catering to the 1024x768 and under users is not even the lowest common denominator; just the the majority. Is there some kind of weird Electoral College out there that says the majority is larger than 1024x768?
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    No electoral college. Numbers are arrived at by people with websites reporting what settings people that visit their sites are running. Not very exact, but... whatcha gonna do. The w3schools releases numbers once a year. I'd be willing to bet that most folks are running higher than 1024x768 when their Jan 2009 report is released.

    The higher than 1024x768 segment was up to 38% as of last January.
    http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp

    Anyways, I think pics bigger than 400x600 should be limited to special photo threads and external links. It wasn't so bad back in Firefox 2.x.x days when you could boost text size without zooming pics up also, but now that FF has adopted Opera's zoom behavior, I can't kick back in my chair and read posts from 3 ft away...
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    A-Ha! For those struggling with the FF image zoom problem I outlined above,

    Type "about:config" in your Firefox 3 address bar,
    Click the "I'll be careful" button.
    Scroll down to "browser.zoom.full" and double click on it so that the value becomes false.

    This takes FF3 back to regular olde no picture zoom FF behavior, allowing me to have giant, legible from 6ft text in a tiny, approx 1000 px wide window with no Hz scroll bars (at least in this pic-free thread.)
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    This is horrible! All of the pictures are, tiny and pizelated from being compressed. 640 is tiny.

    Like stated above

    According to Wikipedia:

    Resolution % of Internet Users
    Higher than 1024×768 38%
    1024×768 48%
    800×600 8%
    Lower than 800×600 < 1%
    Unknown 6%

    That means 86% of the people on the internet have screens 1024×768 or larger. Why are we limiting it to 640?!?!?!? In all honesty if you have a problem in 2009 were you can't handle pictures on a computer screen maybe its time to upgrade.
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    I'm on a tiny 14" laptop screen, and I'm even running 1440x900. Come on. Even my Blackberry is 320x240.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDYELLR View Post
    I'd like to see proof of this overwhelming majority. I haven't found it. This doesn't really inconvenience people running large monitors at greater than 1024x768, but displaying images wider than about 700 pixels makes everybody with 1024x768 scroll back and forth to read the text. Catering to the 1024x768 and under users is not even the lowest common denominator; just the the majority. Is there some kind of weird Electoral College out there that says the majority is larger than 1024x768?
    it's clear that you're using outdated technology, but are you also unaware of a website by the name of google?

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    Quote Originally Posted by botto View Post
    it's clear that you're using outdated technology, but are you also unaware of a website by the name of google?
    Here's another web reference. No matter how I look at the numbers, 1024x768 is still in the majority, i.e. 48% using that screen size as opposed to 38% using something bigger. How much cleared can it be?

    As for "outdated technology", well I must admit I don't have a brand new wide flat screen monitor, nor do I own an iPhone or drive a 2009 hybrid SUV or ride a carbon fibre bike. You can lay the blame for the current recession squarely on my shoulders. Not owning all the newest toys is beginning to make me very depressed now.

    If fixing the board so it won't display giant pictures in their original size makes a few yuppies with giant screens unhappy, so be it. It's for the greater good. You can still view them full size by right clicking them. I'm going to unsub from this thread now so I don't have to witness any more whining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDYELLR View Post
    Here's another web reference[/URL]. No matter how I look at the numbers, 1024x768 is still in the majority, i.e. 48% using that screen size as opposed to 38% using something bigger. How much cleared can it be?
    If 1024 is the most common screen size then at the very least 800 pixel wide pictures should be allowed, and I think up to 1000 would be reasonable.

    Quote Originally Posted by OLDYELLR View Post
    If fixing the board so it won't display giant pictures in their original size makes a few yuppies with giant screens unhappy, so be it. It's for the greater good. You can still view them full size by right clicking them. I'm going to unsub from this thread now so I don't have to witness any more whining.
    Here is an example of a post where the resizing is extremely annoying. All I see is a pixely mess. And I have no option to show it as full size by right-clicking on it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDYELLR View Post
    Here's another web reference. No matter how I look at the numbers, 1024x768 is still in the majority, i.e. 48% using that screen size as opposed to 38% using something bigger. How much cleared can it be?

    As for "outdated technology", well I must admit I don't have a brand new wide flat screen monitor, nor do I own an iPhone or drive a 2009 hybrid SUV or ride a carbon fibre bike. You can lay the blame for the current recession squarely on my shoulders. Not owning all the newest toys is beginning to make me very depressed now.

    If fixing the board so it won't display giant pictures in their original size makes a few yuppies with giant screens unhappy, so be it. It's for the greater good. You can still view them full size by right clicking them. I'm going to unsub from this thread now so I don't have to witness any more whining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDYELLR View Post
    giant screens
    I've got a 4-year old laptop whose native resolution is 1280x1024. Screen size: 14.1"
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