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Old 01-03-05, 09:54 PM   #1
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Has anyone previously suggested creating a forum for Cycling Activism? It seems as though a lot of activism threads get buried in Advocacy & Safety, Politics & Religon, or General Cycling Discussions, none of which truly defines the body of thought that IS activism. Just a thought.
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Advocacy and Safety is where the Cycling Activism is located, unless there are political implications... and even then, I'd be inclined to leave it in the Advocacy and Safety forum.

If we bifurcate Safety and Advocacy, it wouldn't make sense. Perhaps it would be better to rename that forum?

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To me advocacy and activism are very similar in their intent. Splitting it would just make an extra forum.

Name change would work but I can't think of anything better than safety and advocacy
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Has anyone previously suggested creating a forum for Cycling Activism? It seems as though a lot of activism threads get buried in Advocacy & Safety, Politics & Religon, or General Cycling Discussions, none of which truly defines the body of thought that IS activism. Just a thought.
Yeah, people have suggested it before. It sounds like a good idea, because so many people post about Critical Mass,(shoot, some people ONLY post in CM threads, you know who you are[!]) But then it might be extremely counterproductive because the biggest part of advocacy is raising awareness, whereas only CM and Anti-CM people would go to that specific forum. I really think that all the meatheads who post all these pictures of people with their heads split open and all these horror stories of kids getting run over should have their own forum, apart from A&S, in my opinion.
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I really think that all the meatheads who post all these pictures of people with their heads split open and all these horror stories of kids getting run over should have their own forum, apart from A&S, in my opinion.
Yeah, we need a biking gore section. That last one I saw with the guy's head wrapped around a pole and half of his face gone was way more than I needed to see. I don't think that I will ever be traveling at the rate of speed neccessary to cause that kind of trauma (he was on a motorcycle). Maybe 'happy fun adovcacy and safety' and 'scare you into wearing a helmet advocacy and safety'?

Activism which has an intent that is beyond the bike should really be in the politics and religion, I think...

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I could just see the thread jacks--endless discussions about whether a given thread belongs in "activism" or "advocacy." And I think it's helpful that CM'ers, EC'ers, and BS'ers* get lumped together in the same forum. It makes it more likely they will see each other's threads.

*The BicycleSafe people have a very unfortunate acronym.
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I asked the mods a little while back about a "Current Events" forum. That would allow all those reports about death and mobs and getting run over to be placed in its own forum. However, we're just slowly hashing out how to keep such a forum from getting EVERYTHING to do with current events dumped into there by members.

Stay tuned, but keep on us...

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The problem with a current events forum is that there's no point in discussing cycling events if there's nothing to do about them. The Safety and Advocacy forum encourages people to talk about lessons learned. For non-safety current events, individual forums are more important. For example, stuff like Tyler Hamilton's drug testing saga and other racing news fits best in the road racing sub-forum.

These forums risk getting too fragmented (no, I won't re-open the Women's and 50+ discussions). You folks do a good job of organizing these forums, so I trust your judgment, but this is my 2 cents.
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Let me stir the pot a little more and play devil's advocate....


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Koffee wrote: Advocacy and Safety is where the Cycling Activism is located, unless there are political implications...

Maelstrom wrote: To me advocacy and activism are very similar in their intent. Splitting it would just make an extra forum.

Krispistoferson wrote: it might be extremely counterproductive because the biggest part of advocacy is raising awareness, whereas only CM and Anti-CM people would go to that specific forum.

Daily Commute Wrote: And I think it's helpful that CM'ers, EC'ers, and BS'ers* get lumped together in the same forum. It makes it more likely they will see each other's threads.
Some definitions may help here...

ac·tiv·ism (n) : 1. The use of direct, often confrontational action, such as a demonstration or strike, in opposition to or support of a cause. 2. A policy of taking direct and militant action to achieve a political or social goal.

ad·vo·cate (v.) : To speak, plead, or argue in favor of. See Synonyms for support.
ad·vo·cate (n.) : 1. One that argues for a cause; a supporter or defender: an advocate of civil rights. One that pleads in another's behalf; an intercessor: advocates for abused children and spouses. A lawyer.

Safety (n.) : The condition of being safe; freedom from danger, risk, or injury.


Personally, I would make the analogy that mountain biking and road cycling have about as much in common as activism and advocacy. In fact, based on the arguments put forward on why Advocacy and Activism topics should remain together, the same argument could be made for recombining all of the cycling "niches" so as to reduce all the bifurcation (great word, by the way) that already exists. After all, just because the objectives and approach are a bit different, if you strip away the personalities and norms of each group you'll find that the technology and physiology associated with riding a touring, road, commuter, cyclocross, off-road, bmx, recumbent, fixed gear/single speed, or tandem bike aren't all that different.

Just something to think about. Then again, maybe not. Left to ponder too long, this topic will generate enough posts to warrant a move to the Advocacy and Safety Forum and the, perhaps to the Politics and Religion ring, er forum.

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Ok, if you want to put it like that, then I will simply say, I don't like tonnes of fragmentation. An extra forum is just another way to get people splitting off into other, forums. There has to be a visual AND usable limit.

Although, I believe activism are closer related (one is simple the action the other is positive action, the other can be a result if you will) then mountain biking and road. Heck even the divide in mountain biking itself is sometimes more
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