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Old 09-04-17, 02:39 AM   #1
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Henry James Out of Stock

Just finished up two frame drawings, ready to build and went to Henry James to pick up some tubes and lugs and they are out of stock on just about everything. What is going on? Have not built a frame in quite a few years and was not expecting this. Want US made goods, but it looks like it is not possible.
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Old 09-04-17, 02:45 AM   #2
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True Temper stopped making bicycle frame tubing and Henry James had put most of their eggs in that basket. Not sure what their plans are for the future. For Made in the USA tubing, Vari-Wall has filled that void. https://shop.vari-wall.com/bicycle-tubing/

You'll have to source lugs from somewhere else. Nova, Ceeway, Framebuilder Supply and Richard Sachs are a few that come to mind.
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Yes, I heard about True Temper, which really stinks as their tubing was top shelf, however I did not know that HJ would stop with their lugs. Super quality lugs that look good from every angle. Unfortunately I need a regular 73 seat lug, and they are out of stock. I have not built with the lugs that Nova offers. Are they as precise with the way the tube fits as HJ?
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I forgot to thank you for the tip on Variwall tubing. Never heard of it before, but then I am a hobby builder so I don't keep up on stuff like the pros.
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I have only built one lugged frame and that one required some working of the lugs to get the tubes to fit. From what I have read, that seems to be common with most lugs. You'll have to wait on others, with more lugged frame experience, to comment on where to get quality lugs.
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what angle lugs do they have in stock? 1 degree usually can be accommodated pretty easily
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Seat lug is 74. I have built before with 73 lug and made it work for a 72 degree angle, no big deal. I am just surprised with the direction they have taken. Guess I trusted they would be around for a long, long time. Suppose not. The HJ lugs that I have worked with have required zero work to fit tubes into them. Wonderfully made. Hopefully I get a break for lunch and can place a call to them.
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I never think about those lugs. They were tightly coupled with TT, so changing is a problem for them. I think the fact that they were running a phone-based business in a web-based world for so long hurt them a lot, even though they finally have a good website.

I imagine the demand for the lugs is small enough that they are reluctant to stock too many. They do seem to be one of the better options for standard size lugs. I am a little stumped by the existence of a 74 degree lug though.
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I am a little stumped by the existence of a 74 degree lug though.
Explain? Some people would get a better fit? Would they not?
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74 seems oddly specific to me. It's not an angle that is in common use, maybe on small frames
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74 seems oddly specific to me. It's not an angle that is in common use, maybe on small frames

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74 seems oddly specific to me. It's not an angle that is in common use, maybe on small frames
That is all you can use on the smallest frames. There is not 63 degree down tube lug or 72 degree head angle to line up to lesser angle seat angle.
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That is all you can use on the smallest frames. There is not 63 degree down tube lug or 72 degree head angle to line up to lesser angle seat angle.


Which is why better builders who use lugs are adapt at both altering stock lugs (by as much as 4+ degrees) and making their own. Andy
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on small frames, it's often a shortcut to increase the seat angle. Of course, people don't like toe overlap, which is the other way it can go. But if the person ends up putting on a seatpost with a lot of setback, what have you accomplished? I have definitely seen this in practice.
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Good news! Received Henry James lugs and tubes. Will have two all American made frames put together in a few months, and have a request for another one after that. At the least I will be using HJ lugs and bottom bracket on the third frame as they may be out of True Temper tubes by then. Will look at Variflex at that time.


Anyone have input on Veriflex tubes? The good, bad, ugly?
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