Getting a custom track frame made, I need advice and suggestions
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Getting a custom track frame made, I need advice and suggestions
Allan Wanta will be making me a track frame soon. (I'm doing a website redesign for him too) Here is what I am thinking:
Tubeset: Columbus Spirit Keirin? Reynolds 853? Kaisei? Dedacciai?
Lugs: Long Shen 300
Dropouts, Track crown, Seatstay caps: Kalavinka
I also was thinking silver brazing would be neat.
What do you think? Am I overlooking anything? Anything you would suggest? I fluctuate from 190-200lbs or so. The frame will be used for street use mainly.
Thanks!
-Jerry
Tubeset: Columbus Spirit Keirin? Reynolds 853? Kaisei? Dedacciai?
Lugs: Long Shen 300
Dropouts, Track crown, Seatstay caps: Kalavinka
I also was thinking silver brazing would be neat.
What do you think? Am I overlooking anything? Anything you would suggest? I fluctuate from 190-200lbs or so. The frame will be used for street use mainly.
Thanks!
-Jerry
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I have a commuter/beater fixed gear that is more practical. This bike will be my fancy one. Kinda like your grandpas 57' chevy that he would take out on sunday for a drive.
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Yeah thanks for bringing that up. I don't plan on riding this in foul weather at all so I wouldn't need eyelets. I would like this frame to kind of be as 'track' as possible. I just like the aesthetic of a pure track frame (no braze-ons, not drilled for brakes etc). I may however opt for one water bottle braze on. I could always get a clamp if I needed though. Hmm.
I have a commuter/beater fixed gear that is more practical. This bike will be my fancy one. Kinda like your grandpas 57' chevy that he would take out on sunday for a drive.
I have a commuter/beater fixed gear that is more practical. This bike will be my fancy one. Kinda like your grandpas 57' chevy that he would take out on sunday for a drive.
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Well, you're in a bit of a quandry, aincha? If you want a poseur track frame, you're not going to have the retro "look what I found on craigslist!" cache, and you're not going to have the "look what I waited two years for!" cache, so you're kinda buggered.
The only way you can claw back any credibility would be to just go the Kalavinka/Kaisei route, paint it fluoro pink with green splatters and say you've had it for 20 years. Hang every NJS part you can find from EAI, NOS Araya rims from yellowjersey, soldered spokes and hey presto! You're in like Flynn.
The only way you can claw back any credibility would be to just go the Kalavinka/Kaisei route, paint it fluoro pink with green splatters and say you've had it for 20 years. Hang every NJS part you can find from EAI, NOS Araya rims from yellowjersey, soldered spokes and hey presto! You're in like Flynn.
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Well, you're in a bit of a quandry, aincha? If you want a poseur track frame, you're not going to have the retro "look what I found on craigslist!" cache, and you're not going to have the "look what I waited two years for!" cache, so you're kinda buggered.
The only way you can claw back any credibility would be to just go the Kalavinka/Kaisei route, paint it fluoro pink with green splatters and say you've had it for 20 years. Hang every NJS part you can find from EAI, NOS Araya rims from yellowjersey, soldered spokes and hey presto! You're in like Flynn.
The only way you can claw back any credibility would be to just go the Kalavinka/Kaisei route, paint it fluoro pink with green splatters and say you've had it for 20 years. Hang every NJS part you can find from EAI, NOS Araya rims from yellowjersey, soldered spokes and hey presto! You're in like Flynn.
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I think that you can do anything you want and it will be cool. The bikes that I gravitate towards are always quirky, "specials" is what builders call them. Your builder is the one to discuss the tubesets with but I think that it is not out of line to choose those lugs if you like them. Think about comfort, so angles, tire spacing and, as mentioned, water bottle bosses.
Have fun!
Have fun!
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I think that you can do anything you want and it will be cool. The bikes that I gravitate towards are always quirky, "specials" is what builders call them. Your builder is the one to discuss the tubesets with but I think that it is not out of line to choose those lugs if you like them. Think about comfort, so angles, tire spacing and, as mentioned, water bottle bosses.
Have fun!
Have fun!
-Jerry
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Tough Crowd!
What do you mean by Silver Brazed, do you mean silver fillet brazed, or lugs and silver?
With your weight you aren't even on the chart for a lot of sets. So I probably wouldn't get too wrapped up in a particular name set, but let the maker specify any changes that might be required for your weight. Nothing wrong with your weight, it's pretty normal, just that it's high for name race sets. Maybe that isn't true for one of the ones you mentioned, I;m even heavier and don't even bother thinking about name sets.
What do you mean by Silver Brazed, do you mean silver fillet brazed, or lugs and silver?
With your weight you aren't even on the chart for a lot of sets. So I probably wouldn't get too wrapped up in a particular name set, but let the maker specify any changes that might be required for your weight. Nothing wrong with your weight, it's pretty normal, just that it's high for name race sets. Maybe that isn't true for one of the ones you mentioned, I;m even heavier and don't even bother thinking about name sets.
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Tough Crowd!
What do you mean by Silver Brazed, do you mean silver fillet brazed, or lugs and silver?
With your weight you aren't even on the chart for a lot of sets. So I probably wouldn't get too wrapped up in a particular name set, but let the maker specify any changes that might be required for your weight. Nothing wrong with your weight, it's pretty normal, just that it's high for name race sets. Maybe that isn't true for one of the ones you mentioned, I;m even heavier and don't even bother thinking about name sets.
What do you mean by Silver Brazed, do you mean silver fillet brazed, or lugs and silver?
With your weight you aren't even on the chart for a lot of sets. So I probably wouldn't get too wrapped up in a particular name set, but let the maker specify any changes that might be required for your weight. Nothing wrong with your weight, it's pretty normal, just that it's high for name race sets. Maybe that isn't true for one of the ones you mentioned, I;m even heavier and don't even bother thinking about name sets.
If it means anything I plan on getting down to 180 or so soon. The attack of the winter gut has got me.
btw thanks for the constructive help! It is a tough crowd!
-Jerry
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Your not going to break it, so in that sense it isn't even a Lawyer issue. Whether it rides the way you want it to or not is another mater. Weight is only part of it, I may be heavy, but I'm not going to wail on a frame likea lot of tougher riders will, so weight is only a guideline.
If you look here:
https://henryjames.com/techinfo.pdf
On page 7 you can see some typical sets. In standard road tubing the top is 170 pounds. That is easily adjusted up, but it goes to show what they think of as way out at the end of the bell curve. I would say that in my thing, loaded touring bikes I actually can go standard tubing even though I am off that page.
If you look here:
https://henryjames.com/techinfo.pdf
On page 7 you can see some typical sets. In standard road tubing the top is 170 pounds. That is easily adjusted up, but it goes to show what they think of as way out at the end of the bell curve. I would say that in my thing, loaded touring bikes I actually can go standard tubing even though I am off that page.
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Originally Posted by Peterpan1
With your weight you aren't even on the chart for a lot of sets. So I probably wouldn't get too wrapped up in a particular name set, but let the maker specify any changes that might be required for your weight. Nothing wrong with your weight, it's pretty normal, just that it's high for name race sets. Maybe that isn't true for one of the ones you mentioned, I'm even heavier and don't even bother thinking about name sets.
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Your not a builder, so why would you even consider telling him what kind of tubing or solder to use. Tell him what you hope to achieve and let 'im at it. I suspect you wouldn't appreciate being told when to use CSS v. Javascript and where. They're just means to an end.
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Sorry if I offended anyone, it definitely was not my intention. I guess now I better understand how the world of frame building works. This is after all the first custom... anything Ive ever gotten. Excuse my naiveness.
-Jerry
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Water off a duck, JMcD. Consider the real info that comes out, try not to make an ass of yourself and ignore the trolls and yappers. Enjoy your dream build.