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    Barter web site for frame?

    I'm hoping this isn't inappropriate...

    I'm looking for a new randonneur style frame (think Ebisu -- lugged steel, classic design). I had been working with a pretty well-known local framebuilder to build a web site for him in exchange for a frame or two; for a number of reasons (feature creep, unrealistic expectations), we parted ways, but I have a significant amount of the web site developed. The software developed so far allows for quite a bit of the functionality to support custom and off-the-shelf builds, and also includes comprehensive content management software for a marketing web site.

    If you're interested in exchanging a frame or two (one for my wife) for a web site, please contact me via PM or email. Word of warning: I'm a programmer, not a designer...not completely incompetent, but if you're looking for visual perfection, we might also want to find a designer.

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    I understand web design isn't your job, but out of curiousity, how many hours would it have taken you to put together that website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live Wire View Post
    I understand web design isn't your job, but out of curiousity, how many hours would it have taken you to put together that website?
    I had 175 hours into the site when it "stalled" -- the builder and I had discussed an initial effort of about 150 hours for what we had originally discussed, in exchange for a frame. However, he kept coming to me with changes and additions, and it got to the point where I had built more than what we had originally discussed, but wasn't even halfway towards what he had added on. Pulling the plug on the project was a difficult decision, but had I continued on that path, I would have ended up trading $20k or more of my time for a $2k frame. It wasn't about the money, really, but it just ended up being a sinkhole for my time, with no end in sight for the project. My last estimate for the time that the site would have taken to build, with all of the additions he wanted, was over 500 hours.

    The software that I have built covers a lot of what a small builder would need -- it allows the builder to add models, model variants, size & geometry info, and a lot more, with the customer using a web browser interface to add and modify the data that is stored in a database. The additional functionality that the builder wanted included component selection and component kits, customer information, frame workflow (the customer would have been able to log into the site to see where in the process their frame was), and a bunch more stuff...all stuff that can still be built, so long as the expectations are reasonable and realistic.

    I'm currently in my third year of teaching high school computer science, but before I came to teaching, I was a web developer for 14 years, and still have sites that I work on in my off time.

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    OK, NOW this makes more sense. When you said you were making a website I was thinking that I've seen some pretty nice sites (some made by high school kids) that were done in 10-20 hours.
    But what you were doing is far beyond what a regular framebuilders site entails, and I agree, that many hours writing original programming and troubleshooting would/should be worth a couple of frames.

    Best of luck to you.
    Last edited by Live Wire; 11-20-09 at 08:48 AM.

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