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Old 01-11-10, 10:18 AM   #1
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While cleaning up in my workshop I came across this:



Ah, those were the days!
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Did that $30 price tag include your employee discount?
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Did that $30 price tag include your employee discount?
Yeah. It hurts just thinking about it.
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I know what you mean, the employee discount was very generous. If I had spent every cent I had on Campy back then, I'd be rich. I had them special order me a Super Record group, and it was $300, so a Record group would have been considerably less.

I was recently wondering why I never bought any tubes. I guess the price wasn't strikingly different from what I knew I could get it for elsewhere. But the OEM discount on parts was pretty impressive, and they were considerably lower than wholesale. I remember them charging us $18 for a paint job if they didn't have to order the paint.
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Trek used to sell tubing?
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Yes, to employees at least.
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Hey John, what all did you do for Trek and how long were you with them? I was curious if Trek was started by one person or a group and what year?
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Hey John, what all did you do for Trek and how long were you with them? I was curious if Trek was started by one person or a group and what year?
I worked for Trek from 1980 until 1986. I started as a frame finisher, cleaning up after the brazers. I became a brazer later, then did prototype and special projects (i.e. team frames and such), repairs, and warranty inspection.

Trek was started around 1975 by Bevil Hogg (a bike shop owner and importer) and John Burke (an appliance distributor). I wasn't around at the very beginning, but by the time I got there production was about 10,000 frames/year. By the time I left in 1986, production was pushing 200,000/year, mostly assembled bikes.
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I worked at Trek a little earlier than John. The story I heard was that Burke ordered some chainsaws and decided he didn't want them. Bevil Hogg went over to Europe for him and managed to get Burke out of the deal so Burke decided to fund Trek at Hogg's urging. Mike Appel told me a little about their startup period. He had worked at Hogg's shop as a mechanic, and then they built some frames. I don't know if that was before or after the idea of starting Trek had occured to anyone. If you look at the old Trek brochures, you'll see a picture of Mike Appel and Dick Nolan standing next to the mitering machine. Apparently those two built a batch of frames before they were ready for full production. Mike used to drive me to the club races in Madison after work, so I heard a lot of stories. I never once saw a Burke although I did visit their warehouse in Milwaukee for some long-forgotten reason. I think at that point the Burkes were just signing checks. There were less than 20 of us working there at the time.
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What was the top of the line Trek frame in 1986 and what type of special bikes were they working on making, basically what was the buzz at that time. I think Look was producing carbon frames around 1985-86 weren't they, maybe a little before that.
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Meech, have you seen the Vinage Treks site?
http://www.vintage-trek.com/index.htm
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I have now. Thanks for the enlightenment. Very cool. What got me curious about Trek or any other big name out there is that just about all custom builders refer to these companies as "cookie cutter bicycles" and at first I was kinda on board with'em but later realized that alot of these big names had to start with one person or duo/team effort building their first frame. I guess its a respect thing. I still don't care for Specialized much though, too many people used to beat me on them when I was a beginner.
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Trek was fairly well funded from the beginning. There was only one geometry until after I left in '78, so I guess you could say we made cookie-cutter bikes even then. They did a lot of smart things to cut down on the time it would take to build a frame. A "custom" Trek consisted of a stock frame that had the customer's selection of braze ons installed. One thing I respected Bevil Hogg for was that he resisted going to contract builders. Of course that's almost all they do now. I still see Trek as a small group of guys sitting around brazing frames by hand; everyone else sees them as a company that unloads containers from Tiawan and ships the product to dealers. I suppose nobody should be surprised that the Burkes started in distributing and now they've turned Trek into a distributing company.
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Trek was fairly well funded from the beginning. There was only one geometry until after I left in '78, so I guess you could say we made cookie-cutter bikes even then. They did a lot of smart things to cut down on the time it would take to build a frame. A "custom" Trek consisted of a stock frame that had the customer's selection of braze ons installed. One thing I respected Bevil Hogg for was that he resisted going to contract builders. Of course that's almost all they do now. I still see Trek as a small group of guys sitting around brazing frames by hand; everyone else sees them as a company that unloads containers from Tiawan and ships the product to dealers. I suppose nobody should be surprised that the Burkes started in distributing and now they've turned Trek into a distributing company.
my memory of trek is their engineers coming into our booths at the trade shows asking how we did that (dented chain stays for clearance) or measured that (where is the brake bridge supposed to be in relation to the rear hub axle) and **** like that. mind you this was circa 1978 and they were new, full of enthusiasm, clueless, and fully bankrolled by the kitchen appliance corporation (parent company) that seeded their clouds atmo.
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Funny, I wonder who that was. Pretty sure there was no time in the '70s when they had "engineers" in the plural. I always figured they would have been a lot better off if they had let Mike Appel design the bikes instead of Dick Nolan. Of course if I was in charge they would no doubt be out of business, so I don't feel qualified to criticize them.
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