Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Old invoice

  1. #1
    Old fart JohnDThompson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Appleton WI
    My Bikes
    Several, mostly not name brands.
    Posts
    13,149
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Old invoice

    While cleaning up in my workshop I came across this:



    Ah, those were the days!

  2. #2
    Decrepit Member Scooper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    San Francisco California
    My Bikes
    Waterford 953 RS-22
    Posts
    8,967
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Did that $30 price tag include your employee discount?
    - Stan

  3. #3
    Old fart JohnDThompson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Appleton WI
    My Bikes
    Several, mostly not name brands.
    Posts
    13,149
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Scooper View Post
    Did that $30 price tag include your employee discount?
    Yeah. It hurts just thinking about it.

  4. #4
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,874
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I know what you mean, the employee discount was very generous. If I had spent every cent I had on Campy back then, I'd be rich. I had them special order me a Super Record group, and it was $300, so a Record group would have been considerably less.

    I was recently wondering why I never bought any tubes. I guess the price wasn't strikingly different from what I knew I could get it for elsewhere. But the OEM discount on parts was pretty impressive, and they were considerably lower than wholesale. I remember them charging us $18 for a paint job if they didn't have to order the paint.

  5. #5
    weirdo
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Reno, NV
    Posts
    1,958
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Trek used to sell tubing?

  6. #6
    Old fart JohnDThompson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Appleton WI
    My Bikes
    Several, mostly not name brands.
    Posts
    13,149
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by rodar y rodar View Post
    Trek used to sell tubing?
    Yes, to employees at least.

  7. #7
    meech151
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Mountain Home, AR
    My Bikes
    MEECH road & cross bike
    Posts
    206
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Hey John, what all did you do for Trek and how long were you with them? I was curious if Trek was started by one person or a group and what year?

  8. #8
    Old fart JohnDThompson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Appleton WI
    My Bikes
    Several, mostly not name brands.
    Posts
    13,149
    Mentioned
    14 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by meech151 View Post
    Hey John, what all did you do for Trek and how long were you with them? I was curious if Trek was started by one person or a group and what year?
    I worked for Trek from 1980 until 1986. I started as a frame finisher, cleaning up after the brazers. I became a brazer later, then did prototype and special projects (i.e. team frames and such), repairs, and warranty inspection.

    Trek was started around 1975 by Bevil Hogg (a bike shop owner and importer) and John Burke (an appliance distributor). I wasn't around at the very beginning, but by the time I got there production was about 10,000 frames/year. By the time I left in 1986, production was pushing 200,000/year, mostly assembled bikes.

  9. #9
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,874
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I worked at Trek a little earlier than John. The story I heard was that Burke ordered some chainsaws and decided he didn't want them. Bevil Hogg went over to Europe for him and managed to get Burke out of the deal so Burke decided to fund Trek at Hogg's urging. Mike Appel told me a little about their startup period. He had worked at Hogg's shop as a mechanic, and then they built some frames. I don't know if that was before or after the idea of starting Trek had occured to anyone. If you look at the old Trek brochures, you'll see a picture of Mike Appel and Dick Nolan standing next to the mitering machine. Apparently those two built a batch of frames before they were ready for full production. Mike used to drive me to the club races in Madison after work, so I heard a lot of stories. I never once saw a Burke although I did visit their warehouse in Milwaukee for some long-forgotten reason. I think at that point the Burkes were just signing checks. There were less than 20 of us working there at the time.

  10. #10
    meech151
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Mountain Home, AR
    My Bikes
    MEECH road & cross bike
    Posts
    206
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    What was the top of the line Trek frame in 1986 and what type of special bikes were they working on making, basically what was the buzz at that time. I think Look was producing carbon frames around 1985-86 weren't they, maybe a little before that.

  11. #11
    weirdo
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Reno, NV
    Posts
    1,958
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Meech, have you seen the Vinage Treks site?
    http://www.vintage-trek.com/index.htm

  12. #12
    meech151
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Mountain Home, AR
    My Bikes
    MEECH road & cross bike
    Posts
    206
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I have now. Thanks for the enlightenment. Very cool. What got me curious about Trek or any other big name out there is that just about all custom builders refer to these companies as "cookie cutter bicycles" and at first I was kinda on board with'em but later realized that alot of these big names had to start with one person or duo/team effort building their first frame. I guess its a respect thing. I still don't care for Specialized much though, too many people used to beat me on them when I was a beginner.

  13. #13
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,874
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Trek was fairly well funded from the beginning. There was only one geometry until after I left in '78, so I guess you could say we made cookie-cutter bikes even then. They did a lot of smart things to cut down on the time it would take to build a frame. A "custom" Trek consisted of a stock frame that had the customer's selection of braze ons installed. One thing I respected Bevil Hogg for was that he resisted going to contract builders. Of course that's almost all they do now. I still see Trek as a small group of guys sitting around brazing frames by hand; everyone else sees them as a company that unloads containers from Tiawan and ships the product to dealers. I suppose nobody should be surprised that the Burkes started in distributing and now they've turned Trek into a distributing company.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    408
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
    Trek was fairly well funded from the beginning. There was only one geometry until after I left in '78, so I guess you could say we made cookie-cutter bikes even then. They did a lot of smart things to cut down on the time it would take to build a frame. A "custom" Trek consisted of a stock frame that had the customer's selection of braze ons installed. One thing I respected Bevil Hogg for was that he resisted going to contract builders. Of course that's almost all they do now. I still see Trek as a small group of guys sitting around brazing frames by hand; everyone else sees them as a company that unloads containers from Tiawan and ships the product to dealers. I suppose nobody should be surprised that the Burkes started in distributing and now they've turned Trek into a distributing company.
    my memory of trek is their engineers coming into our booths at the trade shows asking how we did that (dented chain stays for clearance) or measured that (where is the brake bridge supposed to be in relation to the rear hub axle) and **** like that. mind you this was circa 1978 and they were new, full of enthusiasm, clueless, and fully bankrolled by the kitchen appliance corporation (parent company) that seeded their clouds atmo.

  15. #15
    Randomhead
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
    Posts
    12,874
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Funny, I wonder who that was. Pretty sure there was no time in the '70s when they had "engineers" in the plural. I always figured they would have been a lot better off if they had let Mike Appel design the bikes instead of Dick Nolan. Of course if I was in charge they would no doubt be out of business, so I don't feel qualified to criticize them.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •