What Welding Technique is Best?
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What Welding Technique is Best?
Hey people,
I just wanna ask what's the best welding technique commonly used in frame building? I do have plans someday to build custom frames as a form of business, since designing bicycles has always been my passion. But now, I want to find out from the pro frame builders regarding what welding technique is the best. Hope you pro frame builders could inspire me with your ideas..! )
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I just wanna ask what's the best welding technique commonly used in frame building? I do have plans someday to build custom frames as a form of business, since designing bicycles has always been my passion. But now, I want to find out from the pro frame builders regarding what welding technique is the best. Hope you pro frame builders could inspire me with your ideas..! )
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TIG and brazing are equivalent. If you want to build with steel using TIG, you should also learn to braze.
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TIG is the most time consuming, but the best looking by far, and the easiest to control heat penetration with. It's also cleaner and less brutish than stick/arc welding, and MIG just doesn't have the same finite control.
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This might be the reason why most manufacturers prefer to use TIG compared to other welding techniques...
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TIG best looking? depends who you talk to.
and im not sure why you think TIG takes the most time, or that you have better heat control.
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Because it does? GMAW welding is about an order of magnitude faster than tig. If you look at what industry does, you'll clearly see that anything that can reasonably GMAW welded is, and that tig is reserved for materials ill-suited for the common GMAW processes, or where appearance of the joint matters, or where precise control of the heat affected zone is required.
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Because it does? GMAW welding is about an order of magnitude faster than tig. If you look at what industry does, you'll clearly see that anything that can reasonably GMAW welded is, and that tig is reserved for materials ill-suited for the common GMAW processes, or where appearance of the joint matters, or where precise control of the heat affected zone is required.
GMAW is also well suited for robot controlled welding, which lowers production cost and is 2 to 3 times faster than GTAW, an important consideration for cost effective, high production runs.
Bottom line, there is NO single 'best' process. They all have distinct advantages and disadvantages.
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"TIG best looking? depends who you talk to."
As usual the OP was vague enough that it lead to talk about TIG vs brazing, on that basis it is personal preference. But TIG makes far and away the nicest welds, if that is the issue.
"and im not sure why you think TIG takes the most time,"
It can be run reasonably fast, but that is not it's purpose. That is what we have MIG for, (or GMAW if you want to ensure nobody finds the thread in a search )
"or that you have better heat control."
"Better" is maybe not the best way of characterizing it it if: a) one is being picky, and b) one is talking about general welding vs. bikes. So what matters is that heat is correct, and that can be achieved with all the major methods and even some horrendous kludges. TIG's advantage is that heat is separately controllable, on the fly, without reference to the feed rate of the filler, a feature it shares with gas welding. Also, far more setting options are available on the more sophisticated sets. Probably some of those setting could be developed for other processes except that is the TIG advantage. Of course for bikes the heat control in TIG is the better option, unless one is using robots, etc...
As usual the OP was vague enough that it lead to talk about TIG vs brazing, on that basis it is personal preference. But TIG makes far and away the nicest welds, if that is the issue.
"and im not sure why you think TIG takes the most time,"
It can be run reasonably fast, but that is not it's purpose. That is what we have MIG for, (or GMAW if you want to ensure nobody finds the thread in a search )
"or that you have better heat control."
"Better" is maybe not the best way of characterizing it it if: a) one is being picky, and b) one is talking about general welding vs. bikes. So what matters is that heat is correct, and that can be achieved with all the major methods and even some horrendous kludges. TIG's advantage is that heat is separately controllable, on the fly, without reference to the feed rate of the filler, a feature it shares with gas welding. Also, far more setting options are available on the more sophisticated sets. Probably some of those setting could be developed for other processes except that is the TIG advantage. Of course for bikes the heat control in TIG is the better option, unless one is using robots, etc...
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Hey people,
I just wanna ask what's the best welding technique commonly used in frame building?I do have plans someday to build custom frames as a form of business, since designing bicycles has always been my passion. But now, I want to find out from the pro frame builders regarding what welding technique is the best. Hope you pro frame builders could inspire me with your ideas..! )
Pong P.
I just wanna ask what's the best welding technique commonly used in frame building?I do have plans someday to build custom frames as a form of business, since designing bicycles has always been my passion. But now, I want to find out from the pro frame builders regarding what welding technique is the best. Hope you pro frame builders could inspire me with your ideas..! )
Pong P.
it is simple
You need to go here https://www.bikeschool.com/
to get some faint idea and a start
and then if inspired
seek a job in the industry
relocate, slave, sweep floors, take each step over the years
rather than hope to be inspired by "Pro frame builder's ideas"
listen to full time/life time builders
read about their path ways
because a passion {hobby} for designing bicycles is not enough to understand the toil and perseverence required to make a living making bikes
and also the consequences of this
I may sound harsh but it is the reality of your dream
nothing wrong with the dream
but it is not internet shopping
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* It's a busy process, often requiring BOTH hands and ONE foot to operate.
* The operator should have above average hand/eye coordination with excellent vision at 12" and less.
* Requires more intensive training than either stick or MIG to become genuinely proficient.
* Much higher initial costs - typically 2 to 4 times more expensive than MIG
* Higher operating costs.
* And lastly, you still won't be able to do lugs.
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You could do lugs if you wanted too.
Preheat the anchor....
You CAN weld different metals together with Tig,even cast iron,which is different metals all rolled into one.
It's nice to be able to see doing any kind of welding
Practice make perfect
I'm just saying,tig is far superior to mig in everything except one,speed.
I'm from the old school,if you can oxy weld,you can weld.Tig and oxy welding are the same thing.One uses a flame,the other uses a lighting bolt.Pool dip,pool dip ect...
Preheat the anchor....
You CAN weld different metals together with Tig,even cast iron,which is different metals all rolled into one.
It's nice to be able to see doing any kind of welding
Practice make perfect
I'm just saying,tig is far superior to mig in everything except one,speed.
I'm from the old school,if you can oxy weld,you can weld.Tig and oxy welding are the same thing.One uses a flame,the other uses a lighting bolt.Pool dip,pool dip ect...
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Or I could be misguessing
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Just speculating here, but my guess is that the OP didn`t realize that brazing is still a very common method of joining for low volume bike frame production. I doubt he was intentionally excluding brass and silver when he asked about "the best welding technique".
Or I could be misguessing
Or I could be misguessing
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it's steel
it's lugs
let the others get on with the madness
www.llewellynbikes.com
www.framebuilders.org
it's steel
it's lugs
let the others get on with the madness
www.llewellynbikes.com
www.framebuilders.org