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Old 01-15-11, 06:43 PM   #1
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Sources for alternate brand steel tubing?

I know where I can get Dedacciai (Nova, Ceeway, Bringheli). I know where I can get Columbus (Nova, Ceeway, Bringheli, Sachs). I know where I can get TruTemper (Hank James). I even know where I can get some types of Reynolds (631, 725 from Strawberry) and Kaisei (UBI). But what about the rest of the Reynolds line (i.e. 853, 953)? Tange? Excel?

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Old 01-16-11, 12:03 AM   #2
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Fairing sells Reynolds full line
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Thanks for that. Here's a link.
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when you get really ambitious, you can get some kva stainless tubing
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Looks like Tange only has Asian disti - http://www.tange-design.com/agent.php
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That's a shame. I wonder how long it will be until China and Taiwan catch on to the handbuilt lugged steel revival and flood the market with cheap tubing and lugs...
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Not sure this is the market for cheap Asian imports. Most people who buy lugged bikes are typically looking either for authenticity (i.e. - made in Italy) or custom. Since most performance bikes are made of carbon, the overall consumer who is just going to a bike shop is not exactly going to have any understanding of the difference between Reynolds 725 vs. 853 let alone the differences between brands.

Soma and Raleigh are importing lugged bikes, but overall, the market for steel, lugged bikes is fairly low from a mass market standpoint. In addition, cheaper lugged bikes would be quite heavy, further reducing the marketability. An average consumer is not as consumed with aesthetics, at least as concerned with lugged bikes goes. The consumer after a new lugged bike is typically a more informed bike consumer (as typically someone wanting a classic looking lugged bike is a consumer who has spent time understanding bikes, looking at classic bikes - which typically also means a consumer researching these matters as well), anyone wanting a lugged bike is looking for more in the frame that something that will get him from point A to point B the fastest or someone just looking for a cheap, entry level bike. The bike will mean more to them than just a ride, and therefore, the how, what and where it is made matters.
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on the one hand, it really seems like a waste not to use the best for everything, but it's a fairly simple business principle that the final product price should be a significant multiple of the material costs. If I could get reasonable tube sets for what Surly would pay for them, I could be happily charging much less for a frame. Having $300-500 wrapped up in materials for a significant amount of time starts to be a real drag on profitability.
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Right, I think it was Don Walker who said the tubeset in China was like 10 bucks. There are some rides where a quality but otherwise bland tubeset would be a good deal. The lugs for some of our best bikes are already coming from China. I don't know what people would say, but where I have seen through to prices in china, Wholesale is like 5% of US retail, which is a huge difference between what it is over here where it is 50-80% Which is in effect higher still since the retail price for chinese stuff is lower. While it only makes sense to use the best stuff in a custom build, at the same time, it isn't the tubes that are custom, it's the workmanship.
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As far as I know, almost all of the lugs, crowns, etc. come from Long Shen in Taiwan. Otherwise I think Silva in Italy makes braze-ons and some lugs.
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OK, Taiwan, that's part of China depending on who you talk to.

I'd be even happier if they had some cheap tubing, we just need to know who has it.
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