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Old 02-23-11, 02:05 AM   #1
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What happened to Frame Forum???

When I try to connect to www.frameforum.org I am redirected to a ridiculous alien abductions site! First I thought the forum was hacked, but after more than a month without action I am thinking maybe the problem is only with me. Anyone else having the same problem? It's really a great site..
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Old 02-23-11, 10:49 AM   #2
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The link you posted (www.frameforum.org) works fine for me. I would consider the possibility of having some malware issues, especially browser helper objects in the Registry (assuming some flavor of Windows).
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Old 02-23-11, 11:39 AM   #3
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Works for me, too. Lots of February 2011 posts.
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Really? I thought they had gone offline except for the archive Are they back? Or do I have it all wrong as usual?
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Old 02-23-11, 02:31 PM   #5
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Really? I thought they had gone offline except for the archive Are they back? Or do I have it all wrong as usual?
Neil fired it back up a couple months ago, participation is pretty liminted though.
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Old 02-23-11, 03:07 PM   #6
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Neil fired it back up a couple months ago, participation is pretty liminted though.
I don't know why- all you have to do is step in, state your inquiry, move to the left and accept your answer.
But keep your opinions to yourself or its NO FORUM FOR YOU!
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Old 02-23-11, 09:57 PM   #7
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I used to have the same problem with that site only and only when I logged into it when I was in central Arkansas. When I would go home I could get to the real forum. It seems odd that only one particular network would cause problems. If you are using a mobile device to log on, try again when you are out of town and see what happens. Good luck

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Old 02-24-11, 12:34 AM   #8
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Thanks for the replies, interesting though.. I'll investigate that, yes first I will check again from different locations.
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When I try to connect to www.frameforum.org I am redirected to a ridiculous alien abductions site! First I thought the forum was hacked, but after more than a month without action I am thinking maybe the problem is only with me. Anyone else having the same problem? It's really a great site..

Open up a terminal/command prompt in whatever OS you're using, and use the ping command:


ping www.frameforum.org

You should get something like:

PING frameforum.org (67.210.98.125): 56 data bytes


If you don't get 67.210.98.125, then your ISP's DNS is screwed up ( most likely ), or you have some malware.
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Old 02-26-11, 11:26 AM   #10
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It works for me too, from other computers.. only at first as a guest. But as soon as I "log in" I am directed to this abductions site. Noone else having the same problem???
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"I don't know why- all you have to do is step in, state your inquiry, move to the left and accept your answer.
But keep your opinions to yourself or its NO FORUM FOR YOU! "



I got banned so many times I lost all sense of self trying to keep up with the passwords and identities.
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Old 02-26-11, 02:24 PM   #12
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I'll say it. I hated/hate Framefourm. The egos and bickering made/make it neigh but useless.
If you haven't been a custom builder for 30 years FrameForum is not for you.
In fact if you were not raised on the knee of a legendary English or Italian bike smith it is probably best that you don't even watch cycling on TV.
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Old 02-26-11, 03:44 PM   #13
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it's working for me. I don't know what to say about it since I do have 30 years experience, but it was more fun before the schism
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it's working for me. I don't know what to say about it since i do have 30 years experience, but it was more fun before the schism

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Old 02-26-11, 05:48 PM   #15
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it's working for me. I don't know what to say about it since I do have 30 years experience, but it was more fun before the schism
When I started reading it, it was just before the melt down, so my experience there is admittedly tainted.
Every thread seemed to end an a fight and ban.
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I remember Neil saying something that made sense at one point. Sorta to the effect that he had originally thought it would all work out nicely and be an opportunity to pass on the settled wisdom. When it turned out that people had a lot of ideas that went contrary to these practices he couldn't stand for it. So all in all not sure why he is back. Triumph of hope over experience maybe. Actually what would work nicely would be for him to run the platform and get a moderator to handle the actual interactions.
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as long as you don't mention jigs or a milling machine, Neil's ok
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I wish. Well you know me, I have a whole lot of other crazy ideas up my sleeve. I'm not used to the idea there is only one way to do things. Particularly if an activity has some pretty outlier core ideas itself. Like brazing aircraft tubing in plumbing fittings. I try to be responsible but reverential, not so much.

I think the problem was not knowing what was ok or not. Like if they would just say no new ideas since 1950, or no adaptations to the realities of running a one man business in what was a small firm setting when his nibs learned... Hey I am a big believer in respecting people's privacy. I guess the cyber-Luddite is a warning itself.
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as long as you don't mention jigs or a milling machine, Neil's ok
That's fine by me. I think FF would work better if that was in the head banner or something... I'm being completely serious, it seems from my newb perspective that Neil is trying to share his formidable experience hand-building custom bicycles. I've learned a lot and I've only really poked my nose through the archives. Hell, I'd say Neil set me straight in a way, I was thinking about building a jig and looking at mills but the more I think about framebuilding and what I else I do for a living (structual steel erection and making copper drainwater heat exchangers) I think doing it with hand tools and learning respect for the old ways is a better way to go and in my opinion without the foundations of previous generation's work it's foolhardy to think you can head off into the future in the right way.

I guess Neil feels the same way I feel when I try and watch people who don't have any construction experience try and renovate a house. (not that I am some sort of amazing handy-man, but I've learned heaps in the few years I've been apprenticing)
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The first time I got banned from there I went to other forums and fired up this username "kneel" just so I could go around acting like a complete dolt and pick stupid internet fights by saying one thing one day and and then reversing it 180* the next. I figured just having a name like neil would make it ok. I never did follow thru with it, don't have it in me I guess............. For the record, this is the first cross thing I've said about it in all the threads that have been started since he augered in the first time.
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"That's fine by me. I think FF would work better if that was in the head banner or something... I'm being completely serious, it seems from my newb perspective that Neil is trying to share his formidable experience hand-building custom bicycles. I've learned a lot and I've only really poked my nose through the archives. Hell, I'd say Neil set me straight in a way, I was thinking about building a jig and looking at mills but the more I think about framebuilding and what I else I do for a living (structual steel erection and making copper drainwater heat exchangers) I think doing it with hand tools and learning respect for the old ways is a better way to go and in my opinion without the foundations of previous generation's work it's foolhardy to think you can head off into the future in the right way."

Well two things about that. Let's say you know all that already, but have decided to add a mill to your shop, or surprise since they are giving them away for free these days, have one anyway, and just want to talk to some other FBs about it. Should that be a problem? Or alternatively lets say you wanted to discuss even earlier techniques, like welding from the 1920s But anyway, like you I learned a lot from the forum.
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Well, the index page does have the title "THE Handmade Bike Website" I just noticed, so I'd expect a bit of flack coming in and asking how to setup a more automated workflow... I have to return to lurking...
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I also was kicked out of there, for bringing up something I saw in a Taiwanese frame factory regarding chroming and finishing. I seriously couldn't understand why I got booted.
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Well, the index page does have the title "THE Handmade Bike Website" I just noticed, so I'd expect a bit of flack coming in and asking how to setup a more automated workflow... I have to return to lurking...
Do I smell Kool-aid on your breath.............. ;-)
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