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Old 04-19-05, 08:47 PM   #1
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Is this bike a good deal?

At a local bike shop today i was going around looking at some bikes to buy. My birthday is Thursday and I'm looking at getting a new road bike for it. It seems like a terrific deal, although I don't know the typical price adjustment for a previous year's model. So I don't know if I should press for more money off or not.

Anyway, it's an '03 Specialized Allez Elite

Steel frame, carbon fork, no carbon rear stay
105 front/rear and shifters
carbon stem

It's unused, aside from test rides... I took it out and test rode it and it rode great.

The asking price when it was new was $1450, and he's offering it to me at $1050, so tell me if this seems like a good deal.

It's also the exact right frame size for me...
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Seems very good but not great. I've seen other bikes with 105-ish groupsets in the $1000 range or below (e.g. this Tirreno bike from Performance: http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...egory_ID=3040#)

But not a big brand like Specialized. Basically I think that you'd be paying a good price for a name brand bike from an LBS (lots of markup there), but that you could find an equivalent bike cheaper. You might be able to bargain them down a bit, say offer $1000 flat or something.

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For what its worth....You can buy a 2005 Allez Elite for $1,000 if you shop a little.
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Where would I find such a deal?

I've been to nearly every bike shop in Portland and haven't seen any deals like that, or felt I could talk any sales people down to that level.
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Where would I find such a deal?

I've been to nearly every bike shop in Portland and haven't seen any deals like that, or felt I could talk any sales people down to that level.
If you know what size fits, then an internet purchase might make some sense- Though I don't know what the "T" is about- triple?

http://www.greggscycles.com/cartgenie/prod-2831.htm

Not quite $1000, but very close. Also has 2004s for much less ($799).
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Don't let anyone talk you into buying a bike online, there is an added cost you have to figure in which is building up the bike and unless you know how to do that properly then you'd have to pay your lbs to do it. The price you've been given is definitely a good price, but you may be able to talk them down since it's an older model. Ask for $1000 flat and see if they bite and also see if they can give you a discount like 10% off any accessories you buy from them at the time of purchase.
See lbs's make more money off accessories than bikes, you'll never find a store that will give you a deal for an '05 'cause their prices are already pretty low, when they give deals on older models they are pretty much just making their money back to make room for new models and not really making a profit.
Plus if you buy from the store they'll most likely give you at least one free tuneup if not more.
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Basically I think that you'd be paying a good price for a name brand bike from an LBS (lots of markup there), but that you could find an equivalent bike cheaper.
So, which shops were you at that you were able to discern that there is such a huge margin on bikes? To make such a comment you have surely worked at a shop and have firsthand experience with our cost vs. the price range the manufacturers dictate to us.

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The shop is selling that bike essentially at cost to get rid of it. It's not likely that they will come down much from there.

You're not going to find an equivalent bike cheaper-that's the Columbus Foco tubing, as opposed to the cheap alu frames common at that price range. The links to Allez Elites around $1000 are for the alu version, not the steel version the OP is looking at; thus the original (and current) price difference. I can only imagine the response the OP got if he was trying to haggle new Allez Elite Cromos to $1000.

As to the link to the listing of the Specializeds on a shop's website, we are not allowed to sell their bikes over the internet (this is common with nearly all reputable manufactuers). It's part of our dealer agreement and you will surely find language somewhere on that site that dictates that you must be in the shop to purchase said bikes.
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I bought my Allez Elite Triple from my LBS last week for $1,000. I do give him a lot of buisness and I support that one shop totally. As much as the shop likes me I also know and hope they are making a profit on me.
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You're not going to find an equivalent bike cheaper-that's the Columbus Foco tubing, as opposed to the cheap alu frames common at that price range. The links to Allez Elites around $1000 are for the alu version, not the steel version the OP is looking at; thus the original (and current) price difference. I can only imagine the response the OP got if he was trying to haggle new Allez Elite Cromos to $1000.

As to the link to the listing of the Specializeds on a shop's website, we are not allowed to sell their bikes over the internet (this is common with nearly all reputable manufactuers). It's part of our dealer agreement and you will surely find language somewhere on that site that dictates that you must be in the shop to purchase said bikes.
I sit corrected-
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So, which shops were you at that you were able to discern that there is such a huge margin on bikes? To make such a comment you have surely worked at a shop and have firsthand experience with our cost vs. the price range the manufacturers dictate to us.
Sorry, I think I may have phrased that badly What I was trying to say is that buying a brand name involves paying some markup, and buying a brand new bike from an LBS involves more markup (NOT that it's such a bad thing, you often get a lot in return).

For this bike, I totally agree with you that they're basically selling it close to cost for them. And I'm aware that the quality steel frame is an advantage as well.

What I should have said is that you can buy an un-assembled mail order bike with similar component specs for less money. I agree that this bike is a good deal.
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I sit corrected-
No worries; the lack of distinction between the two models is a constant source of confusion for customers. I really wish they'd address that. The online sales thing isn't really something you think about when you see bikes on a website, either.

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Sorry, I think I may have phrased that badly What I was trying to say is that buying a brand name involves paying some markup, and buying a brand new bike from an LBS involves more markup (NOT that it's such a bad thing, you often get a lot in return).
For this bike, I totally agree with you that they're basically selling it close to cost for them. And I'm aware that the quality steel frame is an advantage as well.
What I should have said is that you can buy an un-assembled mail order bike with similar component specs for less money. I agree that this bike is a good deal.
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