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OMG Thought I found an on line deal until I was told we have to charge you SALES TAX

Old 06-24-15, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
Well, that's how your state raises revenue in the absence of an income tax.

Bingo you got the mystery solved of how the Sate of Florida avoids the personal state income tax thing. Best advice in dealing with on line retailer is to cruch numbers to know your exact coats, and if local source are cheaper, or conveient to deal with. In the desert we have no money trees, just cactus with sticky thorns.
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I live in a state that has no sales tax. We do just fine up here. Some how we find a way to pay for schools, highways, parks, police, fire department, health care and so on.
The people on here saying they like to pay high sales tax are (liberals)

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Originally Posted by KingCat
I live in a state that has no sales tax. We do just fine up here. Some how we find a way to pay for schools, highways, parks, police, fire department, health care and so on.
Each state has to collect taxes to pay its bills, so its residents and businesses are getting taxed somehow. If your state government isn't reaching into your pocket for sales tax, it's just digging extra deep into another for a different source of money like income tax or property tax. For example, Oregon has no sales tax, but high income taxes while Washington is the exact opposite. Washington doesn't collect income tax, choosing to rely heavily on sales taxes instead.

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The people on here saying they like to pay high sales tax are idiots (liberals)
I'd say let's not get into a political debate, but name-calling isn't debate.

And as much as I'd probably enjoy an actual civil debate with facts and figures as opposed to sound bites from biased sources, this isn't the forum for it. Let's keep it to bikes. We're probably more likely to find common ground on that subject.

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Apprently Florida adds sales tax to both in state, and out of state transactions.
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Well, that's how your state raises revenue in the absence of an income tax.
Bingo you got the mystery solved of how the Sate of Florida avoids the personal state income tax thing.
The only mystery is why the shop was trying to charge you sales tax. It seems to be a mistake on their part. The state of Florida does not require collection of sales tax on orders placed from out-of-state shipped to out-of-state addresses.

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Hoo boy this thread is starting to turn political. Shall I move it to P and R? Or do you all want to keep it here and leave the politics and name calling out of it?
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
Hoo boy this thread is starting to turn political. Shall I move it to P and R? Or do you all want to keep it here and leave the politics and name calling out of it?

Starting to turn political? The OP was a complaint about the existence of sales tax.
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Originally Posted by KingCat
I live in a state that has no sales tax. We do just fine up here. Some how we find a way to pay for schools, highways, parks, police, fire department, health care and so on.
The people on here saying they like to pay high sales tax are (liberals)
Don't you live in south bay?

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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
Starting to turn political? The OP was a complaint about the existence of sales tax.
I see. So are you suggesting I move it now? Sometimes if we move it too soon, then people complain. I was trying to throw a wrench in the socket to try to get things to calm down. But if you think we should move it, then we could.
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Originally Posted by Siu Blue Wind
I see. So are you suggesting I move it now? Sometimes if we move it too soon, then people complain. I was trying to throw a wrench in the socket to try to get things to calm down. But if you think we should move it, then we could.
I respect your decision to wait as (probably) the correct one.
I think it was a political discussion from post 001, but possibly too polite to be wiped off GCD and flushed into P&R.
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The people on here saying they like to pay high sales tax are idiots (liberals)
Actually, since sales taxes are regressive, taking a substantially larger share of lower than of higher incomes, liberals are almost uniformly in favor of lower sales taxes. I hope I'm not making a political statement here. Rather, my aim is simply to correct a misunderstanding.
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Two things to note:

the online shopping world is all a scramble right now over reciprocal sales tax obligations depending on what states have agreements with each other. I am not current on the details but, it is something to consider for this discussion.

Here in Miami, after hurricane Andrew back in the early nineties, furniture manufactures from the Carolinas were selling semi truck loads on the road side trying to get that insurance cash. No sales tax was charged on these cash deals. The state went back to the weigh in records other things and persued the buyers and sellers. I'm not sure how far this went, but it had everyone freaked out.
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Is this what they call a First World problem?

Yup.

It's also not a big surprise or a horror story.
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Originally Posted by CharlieC
the online shopping world is all a scramble right now over reciprocal sales tax obligations depending on what states have agreements with each other.
Yep, we're currently in the wild wild west days of internet purchases, sort of like the mid-'90s and Napster music/video downloads. People shouldn't expect this to continue indefinitely; I'd imagine it ending within the next decade.
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Many states have BOTH income AND sales tax.

I've always been surprised at how many people have no idea how much... or even what percent of there income go's to what... particularly to taxes. Fact is... if you build frames you pay taxes... if you have employees you pay-out all kinds of taxes. Many of the taxes you pay are even hidden in items and services you require.... like phone bills, and electric. Half the cost of building a bicycle frame... could be merely the cost of the taxes paid in making the frame.

If you buy used.... you can often avoid the tax.
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
I respect your decision to wait as (probably) the correct one.
I think it was a political discussion from post 001, but possibly too polite to be wiped off GCD and flushed into P&R.
Exactly. It gets ugly in there.
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IMHO, this thread needs flushed. It was a troll thread from the start, and some have taken the bait.

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Originally Posted by philbob57
Actually, since sales taxes are regressive, taking a substantially larger share of lower than of higher incomes, liberals are almost uniformly in favor of lower sales taxes. I hope I'm not making a political statement here. Rather, my aim is simply to correct a misunderstanding.
I've lived in a state with no sales tax and a state with no income tax. I think I prefer the no income tax.

Income tax gets your money before you spend it. Sales tax (in my state) only goes after money when you spend it on many non-grocery items.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
I've lived in a state with no sales tax and a state with no income tax. I think I prefer the no income tax.

Income tax gets your money before you spend it. Sales tax (in my state) only goes after money when you spend it on many non-grocery items.
I too have lived in both. Theoretically, the income tax is the fairer of the two because it generate funding based on one's ability to contribute. Sales tax just washes over everyone and typically hits the low income resident the hardest. But the same can be said of sin taxes.

The OP's post has the typical victim spin. If you think you're getting a great deal, then great. But expressing your disappointment about have determined that your state will collect sales tax, or another will do so because of a reciprocity agreement, is just another case of sour grapes. I feel for you but taxes have to be collected.
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I too have lived in both. Theoretically, the income tax is the fairer of the two because it generate funding based on one's ability to contribute. Sales tax just washes over everyone and typically hits the low income resident the hardest. But the same can be said of sin taxes.

The OP's post has the typical victim spin. If you think you're getting a great deal, then great. But expressing your disappointment about have determined that your state will collect sales tax, or another will do so because of a reciprocity agreement, is just another case of sour grapes. I feel for you but taxes have to be collected.
For me the sales tax is almost a tax by choice. I can pay very close to no sales tax if I just buy grocery food items.

Yeah, a lot of people ignore the tax laws here. I'm right on the border to Oregon, so a lot of people drive across the river to get their big-screen TVs, outdoor kitchens and whatnot, yet never pay the use taxes to the State of Washington as they are required to.

There was a Best Buy about 5 miles north of the river but it didn't last long. How could it have when there was a NW Video Only and a Circuit City right on the river. I think CompUSA was still there back then, too. Ain't nobody gonna spend an extra 8.4% on their TVs and Washer/Dryer sets.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
For me the sales tax is almost a tax by choice. I can pay very close to no sales tax if I just buy grocery food items.

Yeah, a lot of people ignore the tax laws here. I'm right on the border to Oregon, so a lot of people drive across the river to get their big-screen TVs, outdoor kitchens and whatnot, yet never pay the use taxes to the State of Washington as they are required to.

There was a Best Buy about 5 miles north of the river but it didn't last long. How could it have when there was a NW Video Only and a Circuit City right on the river. I think CompUSA was still there back then, too. Ain't nobody gonna spend an extra 8.4% on their TVs and Washer/Dryer sets.
Agreed. Your location is a pseudo best-of-both-cases. Still got to register your car in WA. (I suppose there's a loophole for everything. Haha)
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Some years ago Congress passed a law exempting merchants from collecting sales taxes on internet purchases from out-of-state vendors provided those sellers did not have any physical presence in the state where the buyer is located. It was done mainly for small vendors who found it difficult and expensive to collect the taxes which might vary considerably even within a single state depending upon the city or county where you live. Of course states hate this because they want that revenue. In my own state, Nevada, they convinced Amazon to collect sales taxes in spite of not having a physical presence. So, I buy fewer things on Amazon these days. I can understand assessing sales taxes on local businesses because they and you use the services provided (police, fire, street maintenance, etc.) but I too don't want to pay for those services at a far away business. At least Amazon is sending the tax money to Nevada. I had one business in Phoenix (Sonora Desert) charge me sales tax on a mail order purchase but when I complained, they removed the tax. Check with the Florida seller and see if they will remove the tax. It appears that Florida may be ignoring federal law if the seller does not also have a store or warehouse in Arizona.
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Not exactly. The USSC ruled that a state could not force a seller to collect use tax unless it had physical presence in the state requesting the tax UNLESS Congress authorized it by law. A bill to do so (marketed as "Marketplace Fairness Act") has failed in several attempts to pass (current version is S.698 referred to Sen. Finance Committee). It's true as you state that Amazon's "affiliate program" has been cited as creating "physical presence".

In this case it sounded like OP was being charged Florida tax (not OP's Arizona state use tax). Most states exempt goods exported from the state from state sales tax, but I have no idea what Florida's situation is.

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My cousin use to say to refuse to pay any sales tax as he studied tax laws. He said the merchant was required to pay the state a percentage on each sale. He said there was nothing in the tax code of the state he lived in that require the customer to pay tax to the merchant. I do believe he sayed thousand of dollars in sale tax over his life in the USA. He now lives in South America in a very nice home.
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@YouthInAsia! Welcome back. Thought you'd been banned, but like the Phoenix...

The intentional misspellings are a clever touch. But, not quite...
Should we start pool how long before he's banded again?
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