OMG Thought I found an on line deal until I was told we have to charge you SALES TAX
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Bingo you got the mystery solved of how the Sate of Florida avoids the personal state income tax thing. Best advice in dealing with on line retailer is to cruch numbers to know your exact coats, and if local source are cheaper, or conveient to deal with. In the desert we have no money trees, just cactus with sticky thorns.
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I live in a state that has no sales tax. We do just fine up here. Some how we find a way to pay for schools, highways, parks, police, fire department, health care and so on.
The people on here saying they like to pay high sales tax are (liberals)
The people on here saying they like to pay high sales tax are (liberals)
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And as much as I'd probably enjoy an actual civil debate with facts and figures as opposed to sound bites from biased sources, this isn't the forum for it. Let's keep it to bikes. We're probably more likely to find common ground on that subject.
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Hoo boy this thread is starting to turn political. Shall I move it to P and R? Or do you all want to keep it here and leave the politics and name calling out of it?
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Don't you live in south bay?
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I see. So are you suggesting I move it now? Sometimes if we move it too soon, then people complain. I was trying to throw a wrench in the socket to try to get things to calm down. But if you think we should move it, then we could.
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I think it was a political discussion from post 001, but possibly too polite to be wiped off GCD and flushed into P&R.
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The people on here saying they like to pay high sales tax are idiots (liberals)
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Two things to note:
the online shopping world is all a scramble right now over reciprocal sales tax obligations depending on what states have agreements with each other. I am not current on the details but, it is something to consider for this discussion.
Here in Miami, after hurricane Andrew back in the early nineties, furniture manufactures from the Carolinas were selling semi truck loads on the road side trying to get that insurance cash. No sales tax was charged on these cash deals. The state went back to the weigh in records other things and persued the buyers and sellers. I'm not sure how far this went, but it had everyone freaked out.
the online shopping world is all a scramble right now over reciprocal sales tax obligations depending on what states have agreements with each other. I am not current on the details but, it is something to consider for this discussion.
Here in Miami, after hurricane Andrew back in the early nineties, furniture manufactures from the Carolinas were selling semi truck loads on the road side trying to get that insurance cash. No sales tax was charged on these cash deals. The state went back to the weigh in records other things and persued the buyers and sellers. I'm not sure how far this went, but it had everyone freaked out.
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Yup.
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Yep, we're currently in the wild wild west days of internet purchases, sort of like the mid-'90s and Napster music/video downloads. People shouldn't expect this to continue indefinitely; I'd imagine it ending within the next decade.
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Many states have BOTH income AND sales tax.
I've always been surprised at how many people have no idea how much... or even what percent of there income go's to what... particularly to taxes. Fact is... if you build frames you pay taxes... if you have employees you pay-out all kinds of taxes. Many of the taxes you pay are even hidden in items and services you require.... like phone bills, and electric. Half the cost of building a bicycle frame... could be merely the cost of the taxes paid in making the frame.
If you buy used.... you can often avoid the tax.
I've always been surprised at how many people have no idea how much... or even what percent of there income go's to what... particularly to taxes. Fact is... if you build frames you pay taxes... if you have employees you pay-out all kinds of taxes. Many of the taxes you pay are even hidden in items and services you require.... like phone bills, and electric. Half the cost of building a bicycle frame... could be merely the cost of the taxes paid in making the frame.
If you buy used.... you can often avoid the tax.
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IMHO, this thread needs flushed. It was a troll thread from the start, and some have taken the bait.
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Actually, since sales taxes are regressive, taking a substantially larger share of lower than of higher incomes, liberals are almost uniformly in favor of lower sales taxes. I hope I'm not making a political statement here. Rather, my aim is simply to correct a misunderstanding.
Income tax gets your money before you spend it. Sales tax (in my state) only goes after money when you spend it on many non-grocery items.
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The OP's post has the typical victim spin. If you think you're getting a great deal, then great. But expressing your disappointment about have determined that your state will collect sales tax, or another will do so because of a reciprocity agreement, is just another case of sour grapes. I feel for you but taxes have to be collected.
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I too have lived in both. Theoretically, the income tax is the fairer of the two because it generate funding based on one's ability to contribute. Sales tax just washes over everyone and typically hits the low income resident the hardest. But the same can be said of sin taxes.
The OP's post has the typical victim spin. If you think you're getting a great deal, then great. But expressing your disappointment about have determined that your state will collect sales tax, or another will do so because of a reciprocity agreement, is just another case of sour grapes. I feel for you but taxes have to be collected.
The OP's post has the typical victim spin. If you think you're getting a great deal, then great. But expressing your disappointment about have determined that your state will collect sales tax, or another will do so because of a reciprocity agreement, is just another case of sour grapes. I feel for you but taxes have to be collected.
Yeah, a lot of people ignore the tax laws here. I'm right on the border to Oregon, so a lot of people drive across the river to get their big-screen TVs, outdoor kitchens and whatnot, yet never pay the use taxes to the State of Washington as they are required to.
There was a Best Buy about 5 miles north of the river but it didn't last long. How could it have when there was a NW Video Only and a Circuit City right on the river. I think CompUSA was still there back then, too. Ain't nobody gonna spend an extra 8.4% on their TVs and Washer/Dryer sets.
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For me the sales tax is almost a tax by choice. I can pay very close to no sales tax if I just buy grocery food items.
Yeah, a lot of people ignore the tax laws here. I'm right on the border to Oregon, so a lot of people drive across the river to get their big-screen TVs, outdoor kitchens and whatnot, yet never pay the use taxes to the State of Washington as they are required to.
There was a Best Buy about 5 miles north of the river but it didn't last long. How could it have when there was a NW Video Only and a Circuit City right on the river. I think CompUSA was still there back then, too. Ain't nobody gonna spend an extra 8.4% on their TVs and Washer/Dryer sets.
Yeah, a lot of people ignore the tax laws here. I'm right on the border to Oregon, so a lot of people drive across the river to get their big-screen TVs, outdoor kitchens and whatnot, yet never pay the use taxes to the State of Washington as they are required to.
There was a Best Buy about 5 miles north of the river but it didn't last long. How could it have when there was a NW Video Only and a Circuit City right on the river. I think CompUSA was still there back then, too. Ain't nobody gonna spend an extra 8.4% on their TVs and Washer/Dryer sets.
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Some years ago Congress passed a law exempting merchants from collecting sales taxes on internet purchases from out-of-state vendors provided those sellers did not have any physical presence in the state where the buyer is located. It was done mainly for small vendors who found it difficult and expensive to collect the taxes which might vary considerably even within a single state depending upon the city or county where you live. Of course states hate this because they want that revenue. In my own state, Nevada, they convinced Amazon to collect sales taxes in spite of not having a physical presence. So, I buy fewer things on Amazon these days. I can understand assessing sales taxes on local businesses because they and you use the services provided (police, fire, street maintenance, etc.) but I too don't want to pay for those services at a far away business. At least Amazon is sending the tax money to Nevada. I had one business in Phoenix (Sonora Desert) charge me sales tax on a mail order purchase but when I complained, they removed the tax. Check with the Florida seller and see if they will remove the tax. It appears that Florida may be ignoring federal law if the seller does not also have a store or warehouse in Arizona.
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Not exactly. The USSC ruled that a state could not force a seller to collect use tax unless it had physical presence in the state requesting the tax UNLESS Congress authorized it by law. A bill to do so (marketed as "Marketplace Fairness Act") has failed in several attempts to pass (current version is S.698 referred to Sen. Finance Committee). It's true as you state that Amazon's "affiliate program" has been cited as creating "physical presence".
In this case it sounded like OP was being charged Florida tax (not OP's Arizona state use tax). Most states exempt goods exported from the state from state sales tax, but I have no idea what Florida's situation is.
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In this case it sounded like OP was being charged Florida tax (not OP's Arizona state use tax). Most states exempt goods exported from the state from state sales tax, but I have no idea what Florida's situation is.
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My cousin use to say to refuse to pay any sales tax as he studied tax laws. He said the merchant was required to pay the state a percentage on each sale. He said there was nothing in the tax code of the state he lived in that require the customer to pay tax to the merchant. I do believe he sayed thousand of dollars in sale tax over his life in the USA. He now lives in South America in a very nice home.
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