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07-07-15, 09:17 AM
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Vatdim, the motor it negating the additional weight of the bike and low roll of the tires on the road. It allows a mountain bike to ride on pavement comparable to a road bike when it would not otherwise be possible. While I could get slicks for the bike, it would not be possible to take it off road.
You got what you wanted, but it is a cheat. I bet that most MTB'ers would think that you have a cheat when they see your bike on a MTB trail.
They do have their purpose. Mostly for either people with a handicap. I can also see a couple getting an e-assist for the weaker of the couple, so that the couple can ride together at a higher speed, than they would be able to go if the weaker rider didn't have an e-assist.
I don't consider bents a cheat. They're different, but it is still the rider doing all of the work. They do a little less work on the downhill and flats because of aerodynamics, but they're doing just as much work if not more work going up the hill.
Look, I'm overweight by at least the 40# that you say that your bike weighs. But I didn't even consider an e-assist bike to make me equal to guys with 10% body fat. My extra weight gives me a better workout, so I'm expending more Calories.
Like someone else said, borrow a friend's bike that only weighs "10 pounds", and do several hills. See how much effort you're putting into them (if your friend has a power meter, that is even better), and what your time is on those hills. Then try that with your e-assist bike. I'm willing to bet that you will have a better time with less effort on the e-assist bike than on "10 pound" bike. But you'll have a better workout on that "10 pound" bike.
Now, if you have a true handicap, or you're an older gentleman, then the e-assist bike is more suitable.
It may be a cheat, but if you need/want the cheat to motivate you to exercise, then it's doing its job. There are a lot of rules that people break while they're biking. If you don't want to follow the rules, then don't worry about what other people say. Ride your bike. Just HTFU.
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07-07-15, 09:21 AM
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I had a talk with my wife last night about this thread. She said that road bikers are athletes so for them to put a motor on their bike goes against being an athlete. I responded with yeah, but they do other things to try to accomplish what the motors does (shed weight, thin tires, etc) and that the motor is just better. She said that people don't view it as the same thing even though we are both trying to do the same thing. Maybe the motor is just too good.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
07-07-15, 09:31 AM
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Does your wife ride with you shopkins?
No problem. Just need me a couple extra battery packs!
No problem. Just need me a couple extra battery packs!
07-07-15, 09:31 AM
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Roadies aren't snubbing you; they don't see you. There are several electric bike and beach cruiser rental stores around here. They cater to tourists that want to see the area by bike. Nothing wrong with that but they're a totally different type of person than road cyclists. To a roadie you're background noise.
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No, it allows a MTB to be ridden more easily than a road bike on the road. If you really wanted to ride on the road and trails, you would have gotten a hybrid, and an extra set of wheels.
You got what you wanted, but it is a cheat. I bet that most MTB'ers would think that you have a cheat when they see your bike on a MTB trail.
They do have their purpose. Mostly for either people with a handicap. I can also see a couple getting an e-assist for the weaker of the couple, so that the couple can ride together at a higher speed, than they would be able to go if the weaker rider didn't have an e-assist.
I don't consider bents a cheat. They're different, but it is still the rider doing all of the work. They do a little less work on the downhill and flats because of aerodynamics, but they're doing just as much work if not more work going up the hill.
Look, I'm overweight by at least the 40# that you say that your bike weighs. But I didn't even consider an e-assist bike to make me equal to guys with 10% body fat. My extra weight gives me a better workout, so I'm expending more Calories.
Like someone else said, borrow a friend's bike that only weighs "10 pounds", and do several hills. See how much effort you're putting into them (if your friend has a power meter, that is even better), and what your time is on those hills. Then try that with your e-assist bike. I'm willing to bet that you will have a better time with less effort on the e-assist bike than on "10 pound" bike. But you'll have a better workout on that "10 pound" bike.
Now, if you have a true handicap, or you're an older gentleman, then the e-assist bike is more suitable.
It may be a cheat, but if you need/want the cheat to motivate you to exercise, then it's doing its job. There are a lot of rules that people break while they're biking. If you don't want to follow the rules, then don't worry about what other people say. Ride your bike. Just HTFU.
GH
You got what you wanted, but it is a cheat. I bet that most MTB'ers would think that you have a cheat when they see your bike on a MTB trail.
They do have their purpose. Mostly for either people with a handicap. I can also see a couple getting an e-assist for the weaker of the couple, so that the couple can ride together at a higher speed, than they would be able to go if the weaker rider didn't have an e-assist.
I don't consider bents a cheat. They're different, but it is still the rider doing all of the work. They do a little less work on the downhill and flats because of aerodynamics, but they're doing just as much work if not more work going up the hill.
Look, I'm overweight by at least the 40# that you say that your bike weighs. But I didn't even consider an e-assist bike to make me equal to guys with 10% body fat. My extra weight gives me a better workout, so I'm expending more Calories.
Like someone else said, borrow a friend's bike that only weighs "10 pounds", and do several hills. See how much effort you're putting into them (if your friend has a power meter, that is even better), and what your time is on those hills. Then try that with your e-assist bike. I'm willing to bet that you will have a better time with less effort on the e-assist bike than on "10 pound" bike. But you'll have a better workout on that "10 pound" bike.
Now, if you have a true handicap, or you're an older gentleman, then the e-assist bike is more suitable.
It may be a cheat, but if you need/want the cheat to motivate you to exercise, then it's doing its job. There are a lot of rules that people break while they're biking. If you don't want to follow the rules, then don't worry about what other people say. Ride your bike. Just HTFU.
GH
Also, I could have purchased two sets of tires but I ride areas with trails and paved roads interconnect. I can go on any of them and any of the most advanced trails I want without having to ride home/go back to my car and change tires.
I have borrowed my friend' s light Trek bike who has half suspension and somewhat off road tires and it was considerably easier to ride on the road than mine. I couldn't imagine how easy it would be to ride a road bike.
07-07-15, 09:34 AM
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07-07-15, 09:46 AM
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I had a talk with my wife last night about this thread. She said that road bikers are athletes so for them to put a motor on their bike goes against being an athlete. I responded with yeah, but they do other things to try to accomplish what the motors does (shed weight, thin tires, etc) and that the motor is just better. She said that people don't view it as the same thing even though we are both trying to do the same thing. Maybe the motor is just too good.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
I'd like to see you ride 100 miles on a "10 pound" bike at the same speed as you ride on your e-assist bike. You probably couldn't.
Also, listen to your wife, she's a lot smarter than you are (or at least wiser).
Would you say that a Pro cyclist that got 8 hours of sleep, instead of partying all night was cheating? No. Would you say that a Pro cyclist that doped was cheating? Yes. The e-assist is a technological way of doping.
And you're saying that using an e-assist to go uphill is not cheating, but using gravity to go downhill is cheating. Ok, I agree with those calling you a troll.
GH
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07-07-15, 09:51 AM
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I had a talk with my wife last night about this thread. She said that road bikers are athletes so for them to put a motor on their bike goes against being an athlete. I responded with yeah, but they do other things to try to accomplish what the motors does (shed weight, thin tires, etc) and that the motor is just better. She said that people don't view it as the same thing even though we are both trying to do the same thing. Maybe the motor is just too good.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
Nobody minds that you ride an e-bike, but you just don't get it. No need to justify yourself, go enjoy your ride!
07-07-15, 10:08 AM
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...I responded with yeah, but they do other things to try to accomplish what the motors does (shed weight, thin tires, etc) and that the motor is just better. She said that people don't view it as the same thing even though we are both trying to do the same thing. Maybe the motor is just too good....
...I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it...
...I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it...
The light road bike is essentially a racer built to reach high speed. It has less to do with minimizing the burden of pedalling a bike uphill or long distances, but more to do with the ideal of competition, being faster than the next rider. A mountain bike is built for off road purposes, not anything about it is optimised for other types of riding. I have always thought of MTBs as a overrated fashion, a misplaced ideal, these bikes are every where but off the road. Those who exercise on racers and road bikes, traing for competion, or just generally to get in better shape give it all they have when they are out on their bikes. The guys I know have carbon bikes they tune up and ride in and save them for the important race, their daily rutine is often or vintage racers, or less expensive and slightly heavier bikes.
Making the average mountain bike an all round ideal and trying to justify a an electrical version of it as a better or equal to any other bike is just stupid. My main point is; we are out on different paths and roads, or even off it, we have different bikes for different purposes, ideals differ from person to person; just axcept and be happy about it, no need to defend your self, or be better than anyone on a different bike. What ever remarks you get from others is from their point of view.
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Aero wheels might save you, say, 5 watts. I even made the math for you but you chose to ignore that of course. There is not a single upgrade you can make to a [non-electric] bicycle that will give you a 350 watt advantage. Nothing. Going state of the art everything you might get 10-20 watts.
Nobody minds that you ride an e-bike, but you just don't get it. No need to justify yourself, go enjoy your ride!
Nobody minds that you ride an e-bike, but you just don't get it. No need to justify yourself, go enjoy your ride!
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[QUOTE=shopkins1995;17957963]Please keep insults to yourself. I'm happy to read our posts, but don't insult people.[/QUOTE
Too funny.
Your original post references 'non biking males' who in your own words give up
mountain biking to play Xbox because they can't handle it.
And now you are trying to play the politeness card?
It's silly and hypocritical since you obviously couldn't handle pedaling any type of non motorized bike so you use a motor to assist you.
And as I stated in my original post in this thread that's all cool until you make false claims about your efforts and the efforts of other riders.
You do realize that not one other person in this post agrees with your ridiculous lighter bike = your motor claim right?
Too funny.
Your original post references 'non biking males' who in your own words give up
mountain biking to play Xbox because they can't handle it.
And now you are trying to play the politeness card?
It's silly and hypocritical since you obviously couldn't handle pedaling any type of non motorized bike so you use a motor to assist you.
And as I stated in my original post in this thread that's all cool until you make false claims about your efforts and the efforts of other riders.
You do realize that not one other person in this post agrees with your ridiculous lighter bike = your motor claim right?
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Road bikes are good for long and straight. They don't really handle the perils of the road very well. For instance hitting a big pot hole, have to jump a curb to get out of the way. Stopping. Just the other day I was forced off the road and into/trough someone's yard and the bike didn't even blink at all the terrain changes.
Also, "stopping" is a problem on a road bike? Possibly the dumbest thing you've said so far and you've got quite a collection of dumb things.
07-07-15, 10:54 AM
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I had a talk with my wife last night about this thread. She said that road bikers are athletes so for them to put a motor on their bike goes against being an athlete. I responded with yeah, but they do other things to try to accomplish what the motors does (shed weight, thin tires, etc) and that the motor is just better. She said that people don't view it as the same thing even though we are both trying to do the same thing. Maybe the motor is just too good.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
People are faulting you for the fact that you believe you're putting out the same effort going up a hill on a bike with a motor because it weighs more than the other guy's bike. This is false. If you think you should be validated for riding an electric bike up a hill faster than a guy without a motor, you won't be.
07-07-15, 11:18 AM
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I had a talk with my wife last night about this thread. She said that road bikers are athletes so for them to put a motor on their bike goes against being an athlete. I responded with yeah, but they do other things to try to accomplish what the motors does (shed weight, thin tires, etc) and that the motor is just better. She said that people don't view it as the same thing even though we are both trying to do the same thing. Maybe the motor is just too good.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
As a road bike, the motor does not give it super bike powers. The motor on my mountain bike makes it able to be ridden on the road and negates the penalties of a mountain bike on the road. I think that if some special road bike frame came out or crazy tires that resulted in the same energy improvement as a motor that road bikers would surely switch to them. I think this is true because if someone was truly trying to get exercise, build muscle, tone up, etc then they would be adding weight to their bikes, not reducing it.
I would like to see someone who rides 100 miles a day on a road bike to ride a full suspension mountain bike at the same speed for the same distance. You probably couldn't.
07-07-15, 11:22 AM
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But it does give it superbike powers. There's no upgrade other than an e-assist that will "save" 350 watts.
I'd like to see you ride 100 miles on a "10 pound" bike at the same speed as you ride on your e-assist bike. You probably couldn't.
Also, listen to your wife, she's a lot smarter than you are (or at least wiser).
Would you say that a Pro cyclist that got 8 hours of sleep, instead of partying all night was cheating? No. Would you say that a Pro cyclist that doped was cheating? Yes. The e-assist is a technological way of doping.
And you're saying that using an e-assist to go uphill is not cheating, but using gravity to go downhill is cheating. Ok, I agree with those calling you a troll.
GH
I'd like to see you ride 100 miles on a "10 pound" bike at the same speed as you ride on your e-assist bike. You probably couldn't.
Also, listen to your wife, she's a lot smarter than you are (or at least wiser).
Would you say that a Pro cyclist that got 8 hours of sleep, instead of partying all night was cheating? No. Would you say that a Pro cyclist that doped was cheating? Yes. The e-assist is a technological way of doping.
And you're saying that using an e-assist to go uphill is not cheating, but using gravity to go downhill is cheating. Ok, I agree with those calling you a troll.
GH
07-07-15, 11:23 AM
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Aero wheels might save you, say, 5 watts. I even made the math for you but you chose to ignore that of course. There is not a single upgrade you can make to a [non-electric] bicycle that will give you a 350 watt advantage. Nothing. Going state of the art everything you might get 10-20 watts.
Nobody minds that you ride an e-bike, but you just don't get it. No need to justify yourself, go enjoy your ride!
Nobody minds that you ride an e-bike, but you just don't get it. No need to justify yourself, go enjoy your ride!
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3" wide of thread has more stopping distance than 1" wide of tread. I didn't say it was a problem stopping for road bikes, but if you need to stop to avoid a crash which contact area size would you want?
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[QUOTE=bakes1;17958175]
Don't insult people on a thread you don't have to read because you just interfere with people talking.
I already said I ride my mountain bike on the road without power sometimes. I can pedal just fine. But if I want to go the same distance as a road biker on my mountain bike, then I need to remove the "mountain bike on a road" handicap.
I think I have only read one post where someone has agreed that riding a mountain bike on the road is harder than a road bike. That makes me more shocked than the lighter bike = my motor claim.
Please keep insults to yourself. I'm happy to read our posts, but don't insult people.[/QUOTE
Too funny.
Your original post references 'non biking males' who in your own words give up
mountain biking to play Xbox because they can't handle it.
And now you are trying to play the politeness card?
It's silly and hypocritical since you obviously couldn't handle pedaling any type of non motorized bike so you use a motor to assist you.
And as I stated in my original post in this thread that's all cool until you make false claims about your efforts and the efforts of other riders.
You do realize that not one other person in this post agrees with your ridiculous lighter bike = your motor claim right?
Too funny.
Your original post references 'non biking males' who in your own words give up
mountain biking to play Xbox because they can't handle it.
And now you are trying to play the politeness card?
It's silly and hypocritical since you obviously couldn't handle pedaling any type of non motorized bike so you use a motor to assist you.
And as I stated in my original post in this thread that's all cool until you make false claims about your efforts and the efforts of other riders.
You do realize that not one other person in this post agrees with your ridiculous lighter bike = your motor claim right?
I already said I ride my mountain bike on the road without power sometimes. I can pedal just fine. But if I want to go the same distance as a road biker on my mountain bike, then I need to remove the "mountain bike on a road" handicap.
I think I have only read one post where someone has agreed that riding a mountain bike on the road is harder than a road bike. That makes me more shocked than the lighter bike = my motor claim.