I am not cool, I have a bell on my handlebar
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I apologize to those I have angered by posting about my bicycle bell and asking about the coolness or lack thereof of having a bell on my handlebar. I don't think anyone needs to get all riled up over this but apparently I pushed some buttons (or rang some bells ) .. I'll try and keep my casual observations about biking culture (new to me) to myself from now on and go about being invisible
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Some of what I've said here is tongue and cheek. Since I started riding a lot I notice the culture and actually find it quite amusing. I'm not sure why because in ANY and ALL "sports" there are cliques and prejudice. The same can be found skiing, kayaking, rock climbing you name it. I think this is a fun thread and some of the replies are priceless however I do think some take it all far too seriously
I guess my sarcasm is lost on some here. I could care less if I'm cool or not cool for having a bell. Again, the thread was started with the intent of being humorous and has turned into a "lets get this guy" by some members whether you see it or not. Some of the more "friendly" members implying that I'm some other disliked member and statements like "listen up whoever you are" are not friendly comments IMHO but hey, it's your disco
Listen up whoever YOU are!.. I'm new here and just posting observations on the culture as I encounter it. There is no anger in my posts nor do I try and compare YOU (or anyone else) to other members that you may or may not like. Maybe you are entertained by picking on new people and are looking for support from others I don't know but I think it's rude and I suggest you use the "ignore member" feature if you don't care for my posts instead of posting antagonistic responses.
I apologize to those I have angered by posting about my bicycle bell and asking about the coolness or lack thereof of having a bell on my handlebar. I don't think anyone needs to get all riled up over this but apparently I pushed some buttons (or rang some bells ) .. I'll try and keep my casual observations about biking culture (new to me) to myself from now on and go about being invisible
I'm not sure if you caught on here, but the subject of being cool and roadie "attitude" are essentially ongoing conversations here at BF. So while you provided an OP, you are also seeing what amounts to a continuation of the same conversation among regulars here. I didn't see any hostile posts, but there is also a common theme of mocking the whole idea of trying to be cool and the common perception that "roadies are snobs who snub non-roadies". Seemed like people were having fun with that. Your OP wasn't exactly serious, but it still felt as if both "being cool" and how roadies treat you mattered to you at least a little. I saw some people having a little fun with that, but nothing mean-spirited. And you did double-down on your own seriousness when you continued to bring up "cliques and prejudice". Also going after FBinNY who I would regard as a role model BF member seemed pretty unprovoked.
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I'm not sure he went after me, except when I stood up for Machka who IMO is much friendlier than I am. In any case, I live by my signature line and don't get offended. I simply avoid people that do.
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I am a roadie. I think it's peachy that you have a bell on your bike.
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Road Cyclists are in general highly competitive athletes, and can be a bit rough in their humor. Sarcasm and insults can and do occur, so you're going to need a bit of a thick skin in here. They aren't meant in malice (generally). It's just their aggressive, cutting humor, often with a razors edge. Think of them as an athletic versions of George Carlin, Billy Connolly, or Chris Rock. Just like riding with a new group of cyclists, it may be a good idea to sit in the back, to get a feel for the group, before you jump into the thick of things.
Now that you've been warned about the average road cyclist, enjoy the fun, grab the gems of information here, and always remember to keep a good hold on your sense of humor. They might yell at you from time to time, but they really do generally mean it to be constructive. If you see a bit of bantering back and forth between members, it's their way of hashing out differing opinions and is usually settled with a cyber handshake.
Sir, this is an excerpt from this sticky: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycli...ered-here.html Please calm down and read this
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Look, this obviously isn't my disco and I stepped on some toes on the dance floor. I apologize to everyone and I apologize if the apology is seen as being passive-aggressive. It's not meant to be. I find the cycling environment exciting and fascinating and want to be a part of it but maybe I should sit on the sidelines for awhile as I'm obviously not being welcomed with open arms for what I've been posting. It can be a tough crowd here. Have any of you considered that the tone in here can be a little aggressive and not really newbie friendly? Just another observation that I will probably regret not keeping to myself
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Guys, let's just call it quits here. The OP can feel the way he does, (right, wrong or otherwise), and the rest of us can chalk it up to miscommunication. I for one disagree with the notion that roadies are much different from everyone else, but it's not an issue to me either way.
As for cool factor, who knows what cool factor really is. When I came into the sport half a century ago, cycling wasn't cool by any measure, and cyclists tended to be those that didn't fit in with either the in crowd or the outsiders, and simply didn't care. In a perverse way we found being uncool cooler than trying to fit in. But that's changed now that cycling is trendy and attracts a different type of person.
In any case, fighting over who's wrong or has bad attitude is totally unproductive, and never goes anywhere because it's ALWAYS the other guy's fault.
As for cool factor, who knows what cool factor really is. When I came into the sport half a century ago, cycling wasn't cool by any measure, and cyclists tended to be those that didn't fit in with either the in crowd or the outsiders, and simply didn't care. In a perverse way we found being uncool cooler than trying to fit in. But that's changed now that cycling is trendy and attracts a different type of person.
In any case, fighting over who's wrong or has bad attitude is totally unproductive, and never goes anywhere because it's ALWAYS the other guy's fault.
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I have a walmart-special bell on my drop-bars, and it doesn't look "cool" even to me but I like it. I think I'll order one of those little brass bells though. Those do look cool.
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you haven't angered anybody,,,, just keep doing what you do ,, the way I handle life is the same way I handle the dance floor when I get out there I say to myself ,, self,, nobody here is looking at me ! and nobody here cares how I'm dancing , no matter how stupid I look , just go out there and shake your arse,,,everything is good
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I've been looking for some time for a decent electronic bell, seriously. I want one which not only sounds exactly like a bicycle bell, but also has a recording of "passing on your left", and maybe a clown horn, with adjustable volume. But all that I've found was either disposable junk or else overpriced by multiples. I don't think it exists yet.
I have a walmart-special bell on my drop-bars, and it doesn't look "cool" even to me but I like it. I think I'll order one of those little brass bells though. Those do look cool.
I have a walmart-special bell on my drop-bars, and it doesn't look "cool" even to me but I like it. I think I'll order one of those little brass bells though. Those do look cool.
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Guys, let's just call it quits here. The OP can feel the way he does, (right, wrong or otherwise), and the rest of us can chalk it up to miscommunication. I for one disagree with the notion that roadies are much different from everyone else, but it's not an issue to me either way.
As for cool factor, who knows what cool factor really is. When I came into the sport half a century ago, cycling wasn't cool by any measure, and cyclists tended to be those that didn't fit in with either the in crowd or the outsiders, and simply didn't care. In a perverse way we found being uncool cooler than trying to fit in. But that's changed now that cycling is trendy and attracts a different type of person.
In any case, fighting over who's wrong or has bad attitude is totally unproductive, and never goes anywhere because it's ALWAYS the other guy's fault.
As for cool factor, who knows what cool factor really is. When I came into the sport half a century ago, cycling wasn't cool by any measure, and cyclists tended to be those that didn't fit in with either the in crowd or the outsiders, and simply didn't care. In a perverse way we found being uncool cooler than trying to fit in. But that's changed now that cycling is trendy and attracts a different type of person.
In any case, fighting over who's wrong or has bad attitude is totally unproductive, and never goes anywhere because it's ALWAYS the other guy's fault.
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I've been looking for some time for a decent electronic bell, seriously. I want one which not only sounds exactly like a bicycle bell, but also has a recording of "passing on your left", and maybe a clown horn, with adjustable volume. But all that I've found was either disposable junk or else overpriced by multiples. I don't think it exists yet.
I have a walmart-special bell on my drop-bars, and it doesn't look "cool" even to me but I like it. I think I'll order one of those little brass bells though. Those do look cool.
I have a walmart-special bell on my drop-bars, and it doesn't look "cool" even to me but I like it. I think I'll order one of those little brass bells though. Those do look cool.
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in the spectrum of cool, a bell is probably as close to neutral cool/uncool as you can get. If you want to ramp up the uncool, maybe try a squeeze dinosaur horn.
Also i find bells are only useful in a small % of times i need to give warning on the mup. The most effective thing i have found is calling out, "hi, i'm on your left", with a very slight pause after "hi". This helps pedestrians avoid the panicked reaction to "on your left" as a command to go to their left. Also avoids the "out of my way" effect of a bell, horn, etc.
A bell is utterly useless in car traffic of course.
Also i find bells are only useful in a small % of times i need to give warning on the mup. The most effective thing i have found is calling out, "hi, i'm on your left", with a very slight pause after "hi". This helps pedestrians avoid the panicked reaction to "on your left" as a command to go to their left. Also avoids the "out of my way" effect of a bell, horn, etc.
A bell is utterly useless in car traffic of course.
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I don't think you've offended anyone, and I didn't find any animosity in this thread either.
I suspect that you may be expecting too much of a welcome from cyclists based only on the fact that you're now riding also. It's not about being cool, or adhering to some sort of stylistic formula. The reality is that most cyclists (like most other people) don't care either way about strangers and like to choose their friends over time.
Don't try so hard, and don't fret not getting some sort of big welcome. As you ride, you'll gradually attract a circle of like minded friends, the same way it happens in other facets of your life. You can't make yourself fit in, it's something that just happens (or not).
I suspect that you may be expecting too much of a welcome from cyclists based only on the fact that you're now riding also. It's not about being cool, or adhering to some sort of stylistic formula. The reality is that most cyclists (like most other people) don't care either way about strangers and like to choose their friends over time.
Don't try so hard, and don't fret not getting some sort of big welcome. As you ride, you'll gradually attract a circle of like minded friends, the same way it happens in other facets of your life. You can't make yourself fit in, it's something that just happens (or not).
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