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Old 04-28-05, 03:45 PM   #1
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How do I know if my krypto lok is "bic proof?"

I've heard that they can be picked witha bic pen, well i'm trying to pick mine and i can't do it. How is it done?
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Old 04-28-05, 03:46 PM   #2
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Seriously like Raiyn said...SEARCH function will amaze you..just put you up there like you just popped 2 beans haha...
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Hi, I'm an aspiring bike thief with no computer skills. Will you instruct me how to use the search feature of your forum to learn how to defeat bike locks? THNX!!
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Old 04-28-05, 10:59 PM   #5
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Don't worry about BIC pens. There is not ONE documented, proven case of a bike being stolen using a BIC pen. Why don't crooks use BIC pens? Because Kryptonite U-locks (other than the New York lock) have a design defect that allows a skilled crook to open one in under two minutes. A BIC pen is not always going to be the fast, and on many locks, won't work at all.

Actually I'm calling shenaniegans on this one. You have no way of proving that no bike has ever been stolen using a BiC pen because the theives RARELY LEAVE THE LOCK. Why leave evidence at the scene? Especially when you can ride for a few blocks and ditch the incriminating evidence in a trash can far away from the actual crime scene.
The BiC pen IS a threat in as much as the general public knows about it and the average jerk on the street can easily get a disposable pen. If questioned the guy only needs to respond "I lost my key and I heard about this on the internet.

In fact I can get a Old style Kryptonite open in less than thirty seconds so it's NOT the hardest method by any stretch as proven by the test results that YOU brought to the table.

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Alan - Do you have an opinion on the OnGuard Bulldog Mini u-lock? I'd be interested to hear what you think about it.
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Alan - Do you have an opinion on the OnGuard Bulldog Mini u-lock? I'd be interested to hear what you think about it.
All of the OnGuard Mini U-locks are unbreakable by leverage and breaking attacks when they are correctly installed (around the rear wheel, just behind the seat tube). They are as strong against leverage attacks as the BEST lock sold in the USA, the Kryptonite New York 3000 U-lock.

But, the OnGuard design can sometimes make it difficult to engage its dual bolts. The bolts must be perfectly aligned with the "cuts" in the shackles for the key to turn easily. This problem varies lock to lock. I have one OnGuard Mini where the key turns easily...the other one is always a bit of a struggle to get the alignment that allows the key to turn easily. And, if you "force" the key, you could break it.

And, as mentioned in the "Flat Key" thread, all OnGuard and Kryptonite locks with the flat key design share an irritating quirk: if just one of the seven to ten plates inside the keyway goes out of alignment, you may be able to turn the key, but you will NOT be able to unlock your bike.

An easy fix: shine a light into the keyway, and use your key to turn each plate, one by one, until all ten are in perfect alignment...takes a few seconds with some practice. Then, insert the key until it presses firmly against the bottom of the keyway. When you turn the key, you will be able to unlock your bike.



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Old 04-30-05, 01:52 AM   #8
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- Not one credible witness has ever reported seeing someone attempt to steal a bike using a BIC pen.
Since when do you have access to all the bicycle theft files for every jusidiction? Or access to anyones warranty claims information? Oh wait you don't.
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- Not one police investigation has concluded that a BIC pen was used to take a bike (for example...the bike is gone, and left behind is a lock with a BIC pen sticking out of it.
Again where do you get your facts, Personally I wouldn't leave my "tool" for the cops to find. Much better to make the owner look stupid.
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But, as with other internet myths, the one about BIC pens will last forever. Myths are always more interesting than the boring truth.
No myth Sparky http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/kryptonite.asp
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And, as mentioned in the "Flat Key" thread, the new flat key design has a "flaw" that has more day to day impact on owners than the BIC deal ever did.
If you're too dumb to know that you should not to force a key in a lock I can't help you
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The flat key design has seven to ten metal plates inside the keyway. All of them must be perfectly aligned. When one plate gets out of alignment with the others, your key will turn, but you will not be able to unlock your bike.
Insert and wiggle not a hard concept
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THAT problem has an "easy" fix, but the existence of that problem has caused more than one person to wish they could "exchange" their NEW Kryptonite for their OLD Kryptonite.
Utterly laughable.
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