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Keep in mind the bike is only safe if the adult in the family looks after the bike, problem is a lot of adults in today's electronic world can fix their daughters IPod or whatever but can't be bothered with even fixing a flat. The other thing is very few kids, if any, are going to scream bloody murder if they got a Walmart bike instead of a Colnago!
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I'm glad to read that you aren't trying to put your child on a bike that is too big. It is a serious safety issue. She needs to be able to reach the ground when stopped. I can't count the number of parents I know who bought a bike a size or two too big with the idea, "he will grow into it." That's downright stupid.
There have been lots of comments on how well people got along on department store bikes. Take a good look at this one. In order to add a cheap and nearly useless rear suspension, the manufacturer abandoned the usual, strong, reasonably light diamond frame. To compensate they used oversized, heavy tubing in the frame. It also has nearly useless front suspension which again adds weight to the bike and takes away from using slightly better components elsewhere. Hence, the use of a one-piece crank on the bike. No decent bike ever uses a one-piece crank. That's reserved for the cheapest of the cheap. This bike is designed for the "wow factor," something that looks impressive.
It is not to say that you can't find some pretty decent used bikes in this price range. I have two in my garage, a Cannondale SM800 mountain bike ($20) and a Giant Yukon ($30). The both came from local second hand stores. Neither one has suspension. Both are substantially lighter than any WalMart bike and have much better components. I probably wouldn't have given a second glance at the OPs bike when I saw no quick release wheels and the one-piece crank.
There have been lots of comments on how well people got along on department store bikes. Take a good look at this one. In order to add a cheap and nearly useless rear suspension, the manufacturer abandoned the usual, strong, reasonably light diamond frame. To compensate they used oversized, heavy tubing in the frame. It also has nearly useless front suspension which again adds weight to the bike and takes away from using slightly better components elsewhere. Hence, the use of a one-piece crank on the bike. No decent bike ever uses a one-piece crank. That's reserved for the cheapest of the cheap. This bike is designed for the "wow factor," something that looks impressive.
It is not to say that you can't find some pretty decent used bikes in this price range. I have two in my garage, a Cannondale SM800 mountain bike ($20) and a Giant Yukon ($30). The both came from local second hand stores. Neither one has suspension. Both are substantially lighter than any WalMart bike and have much better components. I probably wouldn't have given a second glance at the OPs bike when I saw no quick release wheels and the one-piece crank.
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That should be a good bike for her, just keep air in the tires, make sure the brakes don’t rub and keep it out of the rain. Most kids wouldn’t know the difference between an BSO bike and a LBS bike. And wouldn’t care. I’m guessing but I would think 90% plus of the kids get BSO bikes. Not the forum members, but the population in general.
I get my daughter BSO bikes because she doesn’t hardly ever ride. I get my son LBS bikes because he does ride (except his college bike). They are both happy with their bikes.
First bike that I can remember was a $54 JCPenney 10 speed, got it when I was 14, rode that thing everywhere, to all my friends houses, to work, fishing, even took it to college, never had any trouble with it. Don’t remember doing any maintenance on it. I didn’t know any better, guess it was bullet proof.
The time spent with them is more important than the bike their riding.
Remember the audience here—a bike forum. These are people (including myself) that are passionate about cycling and for the most part are lucky enough to have $$$ to spend on bikes. If you have the $$$ and that makes you happy--go for it. Doesn’t mean the BSO bikes don’t have a place in bike society, they have a huge place.
I get my daughter BSO bikes because she doesn’t hardly ever ride. I get my son LBS bikes because he does ride (except his college bike). They are both happy with their bikes.
First bike that I can remember was a $54 JCPenney 10 speed, got it when I was 14, rode that thing everywhere, to all my friends houses, to work, fishing, even took it to college, never had any trouble with it. Don’t remember doing any maintenance on it. I didn’t know any better, guess it was bullet proof.
The time spent with them is more important than the bike their riding.
Remember the audience here—a bike forum. These are people (including myself) that are passionate about cycling and for the most part are lucky enough to have $$$ to spend on bikes. If you have the $$$ and that makes you happy--go for it. Doesn’t mean the BSO bikes don’t have a place in bike society, they have a huge place.
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@TenSpeedV2 and @delcrossv, what are you worried about? Just curious. If the brakes work and the axle bolts are on tight, even a frame fracture is unlikely to hurt anyone, and the chances of a little girl breaking the frame are pretty low.
I hope it isn't a prestige thing - it's sad when kids are taught to be experts on "brand name" quality because they just use it to torment other kids.
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I hope it isn't a prestige thing - it's sad when kids are taught to be experts on "brand name" quality because they just use it to torment other kids.
"The definition of a cynic is someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing." -- Oscar Wilde
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Anyone wanna buy a 20.00 bike?
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Talk about bargains, I bought (2) Diamondback Wildwood Deluxe bikes, a matching set of men and women's models in great shape with a Thul triple bike carrier for $100. I would post pics but apparently they are too large for this site to download and I don;t know how to make them smaller in bandwidth.
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My kids just enjoyed riding their bikes, always; neither I nor they ever considered riding bikes as work. The only results we were looking for from our riding was getting to where we wanted to go while enjoying the ride, but then we were never using our bikes as some sort of exercise tool.
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Keep in mind the bike is only safe if the adult in the family looks after the bike, problem is a lot of adults in today's electronic world can fix their daughters IPod or whatever but can't be bothered with even fixing a flat. The other thing is very few kids, if any, are going to scream bloody murder if they got a Walmart bike instead of a Colnago!
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You touch on a subject I wanted to point out. Why does it have to be the kid riding and the adult fixing? We all bemoan the fact that many of todays youths seem to be inept at fixing things but choose to not show them. Buy the bike and teach them how to work on it and/or repair it like I did when I was little. The time spent with dad doing maintenance (major construction in my young mind) sparked a long ongoing history of wanting to know why things worked and how I could make them better. Now I'm not saying let the kid handle it all because we all know how unsafe that would turn out, but let them grow use the cheaper bike to learn and grow. If they don't take to riding or badly mangle something, at least your not out a huge amount.
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You touch on a subject I wanted to point out. Why does it have to be the kid riding and the adult fixing? We all bemoan the fact that many of todays youths seem to be inept at fixing things but choose to not show them. Buy the bike and teach them how to work on it and/or repair it like I did when I was little. The time spent with dad doing maintenance (major construction in my young mind) sparked a long ongoing history of wanting to know why things worked and how I could make them better. Now I'm not saying let the kid handle it all because we all know how unsafe that would turn out, but let them grow use the cheaper bike to learn and grow. If they don't take to riding or badly mangle something, at least your not out a huge amount.
This is how bad my wife is with mechanical problems, she comes home one day and tells me the car is making a funny noise, funny noise? she never hears odd noises, so I go out to the car and as soon as I turn the key I hear a rod hammering...that was the funny noise she heard and still drove the car 23 miles home from when it started!
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This is how bad my wife is with mechanical problems, she comes home one day and tells me the car is making a funny noise, funny noise? she never hears odd noises, so I go out to the car and as soon as I turn the key I hear a rod hammering...that was the funny noise she heard and still drove the car 23 miles home from when it started!
To be fair, I have the male-linked gene that gives me an extraordinary ability to not see housework that needs to be done :-)
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This is true, I actually tried to teach my daughters how to do their own repairs on bikes but they were completely mechanically challenged, however my oldest grandson who is 7 is slowly coming around. Some people, like my wife, just will never get it, she can't even put air in the tires? Maybe that's because I'm around so I don't scream at her to do it, I just smile and say "yes dear" and go put air in her tires.
This is how bad my wife is with mechanical problems, she comes home one day and tells me the car is making a funny noise, funny noise? she never hears odd noises, so I go out to the car and as soon as I turn the key I hear a rod hammering...that was the funny noise she heard and still drove the car 23 miles home from when it started!
This is how bad my wife is with mechanical problems, she comes home one day and tells me the car is making a funny noise, funny noise? she never hears odd noises, so I go out to the car and as soon as I turn the key I hear a rod hammering...that was the funny noise she heard and still drove the car 23 miles home from when it started!
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My kids just enjoyed riding their bikes, always; neither I nor they ever considered riding bikes as work. The only results we were looking for from our riding was getting to where we wanted to go while enjoying the ride, but then we were never using our bikes as some sort of exercise tool.
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You are missing what I am saying here. The bikes that are sold at Wal-Mart are junk. Junk parts assembled half correctly, by people that don't know what they are doing. You can't compare the bikes that we rode as kids to the garbage that is on the shelf at the big box stores these days. A kids bike is a toy, you are correct about that. I don't have any kids myself, but if I did, they still wouldn't be on garbage big box bikes. I have a nephew in Chicago, and you can believe that I will make sure that he is on a quality bike when it comes time.
It is not the ideal scenario but there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. A dad or a knowledgeable friend usually was around to gave the bike a once over to make sure it was safe and off you went.
As a similar comparison, most children have also traditionally worn the cheapest sneakers and shoes for about the same amount of years. I grew up playing basketball all day in cheap canvas Converse sneakers. I survived and grew to love those sneakers and still wear Chuck Taylors when I can to this day.
Do you think that the new drivers of my generation all drove top quality cars that were perfectly assembled when they first got their license? Not in my area and I grew up in a pretty affluent section of North Jersey. Our county is annually rated as one of the top 25 in the country and has been for years. We drove some pretty damn cheap and old cars for the most part.
I wish I still had my original poorly made Schwinn Varsity 10 speed bike. I would ride the hell out of that heavy beast today.
Do you think your judgement as it pertains to bicycles these days is clouded because you seem to be a serious enthusiast?
I don't mean that in a bad way but it sure seems like maybe it is.
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I figure kids should start out on bmx bikes and do all sorts of crazy things on them at the age when falling really doesn't hurt. Then move to mountain bikes, and finally road bikes. That way they will be adults that have great bike handling skills, have the ability to fix and modify their own bikes, and will be as puzzled as I am that there are people who crash in all sorts of weird ways or can't unclip their feet and fall over or take more than ten seconds to figure out how to ride on rollers!
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That's pretty advanced stuff...............
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Turn it into a racer!
Walmart bikes are fine. I commuted on one for a couple of years. Eventually the back wheel got so bent that I had to remove the rear brake to keep it from hitting.
Walmart bikes are fine. I commuted on one for a couple of years. Eventually the back wheel got so bent that I had to remove the rear brake to keep it from hitting.
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That doesn't sound fine at all, it sounds down right dangerous and a real bad idea. One should never remove a brake unless they are adding another brake to replace it (at least for non-fixed gear bikes).
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Forgot to mention I got the wheel fixed for $20 and my grandpa has been using it since with no issues. I beat the hell out of the thing too, surprised it still works at all really.
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Talk about bargains, I bought (2) Diamondback Wildwood Deluxe bikes, a matching set of men and women's models in great shape with a Thul triple bike carrier for $100. I would post pics but apparently they are too large for this site to download and I don;t know how to make them smaller in bandwidth.
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Twenty bucks for a ride-ready kid's bike, and in her favorite color? GOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLL!
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