Maelochs

I generally cannot rest easy unless my bike security system weighs twice the weight of myself, my bike, and accessories and load. This means if I take my bike grocery shopping, I have to by extra locks to carry on the way home to meet the 2X minimum.

bigskydrift

yep, he should just choose the trail that has a sign posted "No bad guys allowed"

kevindsingleton 

No doubt about it, as long as it's a fairly calm day, and there is little chance of any "bigskydrift"!

Bear spray is like stupidity: you don't want to get any on you!

bigskydrift

uh, yeah, its like the gun or anything else, common sense is required......

rekmeyata

yeah you can hit with a pm. The thing about floaters is that they will only pay appraised value, for example, if you have a Rolex watch you paid $10,000 for, over the years it depreciates, so say in 5 years it's worth $5,000, a floater will insure it for it's appraised value at the time of buying the insurance and you have to get reappraised each year though some insurance companies may only want that done every 2 to 3 years, so as you can see as the depreciation sets in the insurance company will insure it for less and less due to the appraised value which considers depreciation at the time of the apprasial. In a lot of cases it's better to have the item insured under the normal content coverage because that will be replacement cost instead but then the item isn't covered for stupid stuff like accidents, or you misplace it, or it drops into the ocean, etc. Some items like antiques and art could go up in value therefore the annual appraisal will keep rising to reflect that and you coverage increases likewise as does the premiums of course, but a bike and most watches for example, will depreciate.

goraman

I don't commute by cycle, I do ride it to shop at times and take long family rides where we often eat out or see a movie.
Then ride back. The idea is to spend time as a family and keep active.
I started this thread because bike theft has become a problem where I live and I am trying to continue doing what we do with out being victimized.
I enjoy our family outings and don't want to stand guarding our bikes, sometimes we need to be away from them.

Maelochs

If that 17 lbs of lock is averaged over four bikes ... not so bad. Have each family member carry one component. I still think it is overkill, but if it gives you peace of mind while you enjoy family time it is worth whatever it costs and however much energy to haul it all around.

Dave Cutter

[QUOTE=goraman;18520989]...... I do ride it to shop at times and take long family rides where we often eat out or see a movie.
Then ride back. The idea is to spend time as a family and keep active.

What a great idea!!!

Chaining the bikes to something secure... and then to each other... should add a lot to security. This guy has the skinny-mini:

https://youtu.be/ryY-qMFLcfo

goraman

It's more like 30 pounds of locks and cables when the whole family goes out.
I carry the U lock and one big cable on my rear rack, The big chain and lock over my shoulder or in a back pack on my back.
My wife has the Abus chain and lock around her frame and the 4 ft. cable around her head set.
My wife and I are both trying to loose weight so the extra pounds just make us burn a few more calories.
WIN WIN!

ltxi

I'm with you. I carry, always have. A habit born out of professional requirement and to me as usual as carrying a wallet. On a bike often nothing more than an NAA Mini....I live in a low crime area.

ColonelSanders

People have accused me of going overboard on bike security, but you really take the cake(in a good way).

To me it doesn't matter how much the bike costs, it is the incredible inconvenience of potentially losing it and then the hassle of getting a replacement.

However I can't help but feel you have gone a tad overboard, at least if you are taking 17.4 pounds of security with you when it is just you.

If your ride doesn't have many big hills, then I guess it doesn't matter at all.

Currently I am using two high end U-Locks from Abus, that in total is probably 6 pounds.

If I were to add another mini-U-Lock from them, as they need to be cut on both arms, a thief would have to cut through 6 times on hardened steel and the total weight of my locks would then be 8 pounds.

The above only refers to the locks I am prepared to take with me on a ride, at home, I have additional security as well.

goraman

My chain and lock are 11.8 pounds,add my U lock and cable 17.6 pounds so my U lock and Cable are 5.8 pounds.
The cable is 2.8 pounds,so by running the chain,and putting a loop of the cable through the chain I can skip the U lock and be 14.4 pounds.
Now I'm down 3.0 pounds, I think I have farted more than that....
Since the cable and U lock are nearly the same weight I'll keep the u lock.
I'm not letting go of the heavy chain, I just can't. **** I'm not getting anywhere here!!
I'm going to rig up a very high amperage discharge capacitor to the rivets in my seat I can arm it with a small toggle switch.
Enough to sterilize the slug so he can't make any more like him!
I can do this and 250 volts 28,000 uf would be around a pound under the seat with a 1 ohm resister I should be able to get 40 to 60 amps in one quick burst.
He will be to busy convulsing, and choking on the piece of his tong he bit off to steal my bike.


OK, I'm not going to actually do it, but it felt good to think about it as I can't stand thieves.
And I like building electronics more than bike riding.

ColonelSanders

Right, but don't you always take the 17.6 pounds if you are out riding and know you will be stopping somewhere?

goraman

I am just going to do exactly that all 17.6 pounds of hardware..... uhhhhh.....

Jim from Boston

As @Happyday comments, keeping the bike under observation can be more effective than a lock and chain, and IMO is more liberating than trusting an unobserved bike, no matter how well secured. For my own situation, running a prolonged errand in Metro Boston is probably easier by walking or subway than riding a bike.

fietsbob

Abus Bordo folds into its pouch on bottle boss set, on top of BikeFriday frame tube.
& ^" steel chain & lock hang from handlebars (if thing to lock to is not nearby enough for the bordo.

2 non QR skewers

Koga WTR, had an Axa prior model Ring lock (SL-7) to get the additional 1.4M lock up chain
for integrated pin connection, I got the current Defender ring lock on the Frame..

Not in a big city , nor a College town.

often the bike (Friday) comes into my favorite local Bar, with rain gear in a front pannier & what I'm reading in print
like daily paper , in the other bag.

goraman

In NO WAY is bear spray better than a firearm period.

Maelochs

Really? So given the chance of stopping as thief without taking a life, you would prefer to kill another human being?

Given the chance to deter a chasing dog with anon-lethal spray, you would prefer to kill the dog?

Given the reality that except in certain very special circumstances in certain states, killing a human being to prevent a theft is first-degree murder, you would rather kill a person and due serious prison time than spray him with tear gas?

To each his own.

rekmeyata

First off you can't shoot an unarmed man trying to steal your bike, if he comes after you with a weapon, say a angle grinder buzzing away trying to chop body parts off of you then you could but make sure you have witnesses and a good lawyer on standby. However, bear spray may be better than a gun for most people, why you scream? because most people would be to afraid to shoot a human being and take the responsibility of living with the fact of killing someone the rest of their life, and the ones that due manage to fire their gun will start firing off wasted shots that could hit an innocent bystander, so with bear spray the fear factor is eliminated as well as the worry of missed shots.

ltxi

...Surely

...No, I like dogs

ltxi

Most perhaps maybe but it's never much bothered me before. Don't see why it would now. I'm a lot less empathetic than I used to be.

rekmeyata

I like dogs too but if it's going to eat me I would shoot it dead if I had a gun on me, I almost one day gutted a Pit Bull with my knife when it came charging out after my dog, but it just wanted to sniff my dog, but the blade was deployed and about 2 inches from it's gut at all times, till it decided he was bored and went back home.

goraman

Never bring Bear spry to a gun fight.
I like the idea of gut shooting them, then blasting the bear spray into the bullet hole till it comes out there nose.
Film it,youtube it,end o bike theft.( just not in America).

In Saudi Arabia there are open air gold shops everywhere.
Gold chains just hanging from hooks anyone could just take as they walked by.
People leave there shops unattended sometimes for over an hour.

Can anyone here tell me why no one dose?
And why you can just put your luggage and cell phone down anywhere on the street and walk away full knowing it will be there even the next day?
2 little words : CHOP SQUARE

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabi...heading-453240

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-welcome.html


A good friend of mine was in the RAF selling planes (Thunder Bolts)to Prince Saltan.

One day when a British guest of the prince was on contract to teach the Saudi aircraft mechanics how to service and repair the new planes his wife was in there home in the Saudi compound alone, a Filipino man ( foreign mechanic also) broke in through an open window and ***** her. The Saudi police had him in and hour after the attack.
The next morning a car came for the brit and his wife and they where instructed to get in,they drove them to chop square where the ****** was bound and ready for punishment.( the whole of his man parts) where cut off slowly with a knife leaving him to bleed to death screaming.
Then justice was declared, and her dignity restored.
She had to be there to have her reputation protected and to witness him die publicly.

There is still crime there but no repeat offenders.
And there is far less of it,no one risks chop square for a phone,bike,gold chain, most crimes are for breaking Islamic law.

This was along time ago, but chop square has not changed much since the 70's.
It is by definition Draconian, but it seems to reduce crime pretty effectively.
JUST SAYIN!


AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd-pUn4qZI0

And they don't let woman drive?

Bikerdave222

Where did you get this chain and lock? Where do I get this chain and lock?

goraman

The chain is made by Pewag. tricountylocksmithservice.com has it.
Click on the blue wrighting next to a pad lock on the page.

The pad lock can some times be found on ebay, or you can order one from a Abloy dealer.