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Old 05-05-05, 09:16 PM   #1
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New York Fahgettaboudit locks again!

is there really a difference between the ny lock and the New York Fahgettaboudit besides 45 bucks???
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Old 05-05-05, 10:15 PM   #2
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i think the chain links are thicker and are treated differently which makes the Fahgettaboudit harder to crack. check out their website. I have the Fahgettaboudit, but i'm paranoid, as well as a spender when it comes to bikes, especially keeping them.
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Thanks for your help.

I guess the question I should have asked was.

Is the more expensive Fahgettaboudit lock worth paying for while riding in NYC. Rather then the NY lock?

p.s nice personel page
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They're all too heavy, as far as I'm concerned. I would GUESS that the real-to-you-the-consumer-difference is something along the lines of 'the NYC lock takes 11 minutes to cut with a power grinder, and the Fahgettaboutit, 17 minutes. And maybe the actual lock is thicker, but I basically go with the 'weakest link' concept--that's where the thief's going to break in.


Personally, I'm using an OnGuard Mini. Too skinny to carry all that extra weight around with me. I think part of the trick is to find a lock that looks secure, but doesn't simultaneously scream, 'I'M GUARDING SOMETHING VERY VALUABLE!.'


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They're all too heavy, as far as I'm concerned. I would GUESS that the real-to-you-the-consumer-difference is something along the lines of 'the NYC lock takes 11 minutes to cut with a power grinder, and the Fahgettaboutit, 17 minutes. And maybe the actual lock is thicker, but I basically go with the 'weakest link' concept--that's where the thief's going to break in.


Personally, I'm using an OnGuard Mini. Too skinny to carry all that extra weight around with me. I think part of the trick is to find a lock that looks secure, but doesn't simultaneously scream, 'I'M GUARDING SOMETHING VERY VALUABLE!.'


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I wear my chain around my waist and although i don't really feel it i figure it makes me faster. I'm about 6-7 pounds lighter when i take it off. I don't think anyone is going to get through my chain unless i lock it up overnight in a shady hood (which will never happen). The chain may invite the notion that my bike is expensive (not that it's not) but let them try...
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ugh. where i work, we stock like a zillion kinds of OnGuard and Krypto locks, ranging in price from $30 to $140, and people are always asking which they should get. there's no good answer. it would suck to have your bike stolen and then be thinking "for $10 more i could have gotten that stronger lock." it also sucks to have a lock so big and heavy that it becomes a collosal burden.

me, i use the Krypto Evo mini. but i don't leave it out overnight or in sketchy areas. i recommend to customers the OnGuard Bulldog or PitBull. They're all fine.
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I jusst a bit confused, How do you secure your bike with a Krypto Evo mini ?

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I use the onguard mini which i imagine is similar to the krypto.
If i'm locked up for 30 min or less then just front wheel, frame & rack
for longer I QR my front wheel and lock rear wheel, front wheel & rack
anything longer than 2 or 3 hours & I use my Krytp NY chain

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both wheels are bolted on, so i just lock frame to (pole, parking meter, traffic sign, small dog).
thieves in dc are too lazy to carry a jethro tool.
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I used to use an on guard beast chain (pretty much equivalent to the NY lock) with a masterlock padlock. I decided to buy a krypto evolution mini to lock up my wheels and realized carrying both of these locks was far too heavy. So I've cut my beast chain in half (took about 5 minutes with the angle grinder) and bought the heaviest burliest padlock I've ever seen ( www.unbreakable.com ). The combo of tiny U lock, and gigantically strong chain and padlock should put most thieves at bay...
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I'm sure the theives have never heard of these either

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bought the heaviest burliest padlock I've ever seen ( www.unbreakable.com ). The combo of tiny U lock, and gigantically strong chain and padlock should put most thieves at bay...
did you mail order that or buy it locally. If the latter, where?
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I got the padlock at Urbane. I was browsing their locks trying to find the strongest padlock and I asked the lady at the counter which was one their strongest. She gives this kind of disdaining look to the padlock in my hand and produces this gigantic hunk of metal from under the counter, "THIS is what you need". I was sold on the spot... something about bringing merchandise from under the counter Anyways, it was around 23 dollars I think, definitely worth it.
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I got the padlock at Urbane. I was browsing their locks trying to find the strongest padlock and I asked the lady at the counter which was one their strongest. She gives this kind of disdaining look to the padlock in my hand and produces this gigantic hunk of metal from under the counter, "THIS is what you need". I was sold on the spot... something about bringing merchandise from under the counter Anyways, it was around 23 dollars I think, definitely worth it.
did you check out a kind of chain they had with thinner link arms? it weighed considerably less than a kryptonite or onguard chain but the manufacturer claimed it was pretty much as strong (case hardened steel, but not boron manganese). they achieved the weight savings by using a longer link-arm forged to smaller shackles. ..not even sure that makes sense. shiz, you remember the manufacturer name and perhaps a website? 23 bucks sounds a lot cheaper than your shrouded masterlock which were going for easily double that at a home hardware the last time i checked.
on another note, i picked up a krpytonite molly from keith at cavern. he said the evolution minis should be coming in around the end of the month. urbane were sold out too. apparently stock is fresh out in toronto.
oops.. i checked out shiznaz's link: http://www.unbreakable.com/Unbreakable_Bike.htm and there's the lock. it's the armorlite.
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I was thinking about getting the Krypto Evo Mini. My thought was rear wheel frame to rack, cable to front wheel. There are so many people around here that have quick releases that aren't locked I don't see someone cutting a cable and unbolting one of my wheels. I am getting really annoyed carrying the NY chain everywhere I go.
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I called the Lawman corporation (Makers of the "Unbreakable Lock") and asked what style of lock was used in their products. I was told that they used a barrel style lock and when I questioned why they were still using them after the BiC incident they replied that the lock mechanisms used by Kryptonite and Master Lock were one fifth the depth of what they use on their locks. I can't confirm this at present, but it certainly sounds more difficult to access using the BiC method. One does have to wonder though if they use "laser cut encyrpted" keys on their Armor Lite lock why they wouldn't use a similar key for the Deuce
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The "Cycling Plus" tests in the April issue prove that it is foolish to assume that "Lock A is a heavy as Lock B, so they are equally strong". Locks that were equal in size, weight, and price varied radically in their ability to resist attack by the types of tools crooks are known to use.

The Kryptonite New York 3000 U-lock lasted more than ten minutes against cutting tools. No U-lock from OnGuard/Magnum lasted even three minutes against cutting tools. The Fahgettaboudit chain lasted eight minutes against Cycling Plus cutting tools.

I would not assume that ANY chain comes close to the Fahgettaboudit performance until it is directly tested against that chain by a credible source. The weight of a chain does not provide the slightest clue as to whether "cut resistant" steel was used.

The Kryptonite 3000 weighs four pounds, and outperforms the eight pound Fahgettaboudit chain against cutting tools. The only reason to chose the chain would be a need to lock to telephone poles, and utility poles, and other objects too large for the New York 3000.

As a practical matter, except for Manhattan and crime infested urban universities, one or two mini U-locks, such as the Onguard Bulldog, are plenty of security. They can't be broken with manual tools, and in most communities, attacks with power cutting tools are unheard of (knock on wood).
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Cycling Plus has tested the best and most expensive Abus locks against the tools thieves actually use. No Abus lock they have tested has exceeded the overall performance of the 2005 Kryptonite New York 3000. The best Abus lock ranks third, after a lock from Axa, in the 2004-2005 CP tests.

The "cult" of Abus may be the result of Abus locks being difficult to find and very expensive in the USA. But, "real world" testing shows that there is no compelling reason to chose an Abus lock over the New York 3000. No Abus lock is rated higher than the NY 3000 by "Cycling Plus", "Sold Secure", or the ART Foundation.

Although the Fahgettaboudit may be the best chain lock, the New York 3000 provides a superior level of security for folks who lock to posts that will work with a U-lock. If you often lock to telephone poles, and objects that are too large for a U-lock, the Fahgettaboudit is the best option. BUT, that chain weighs eight pounds, compared to four pounds for the New York 3000 U-lock...yikes.

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onguard ultimate doubleteam.

About $40, not very heavy, and the cable is great for locking your front wheel/bottle cages with. I carry the cable in a pocket in my messenger bag and just let the u-lock rattle around in there with my pump.

But on the other hand, I used to ride around with a 10lb heavy chain and padlock in my bag.
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Anyone know the deal with the padlocks that come with Krypto NY chains? They have the "Molly," the EV Disc, and the Fahgettaboudit (same as EV Disc?). How do they stack up against a standard padlock (eg. American)?
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Anyone know the deal with the padlocks that come with Krypto NY chains? They have the "Molly," the EV Disc, and the Fahgettaboudit (same as EV Disc?). How do they stack up against a standard padlock (eg. American)?
In "Cycling Plus" tests, the Fahgettaboudit could not be broken using manual tools and lasted eight minutes against power tools. After testing by the UK "Sold Secure" Insurance Institute and the ART Foundation of Holland, the Fahgettaboudit was rated by each at the maximum security level.

Many "hardware store" padlocks brag about their high level of security. I do not know of any hardware store padlocks that document their security claims with published results of independent testing by multiple agencies, such as the testing passed by the Fahgettaboudit. Nor do I know of any hardware store locks that provide $3,500 dollars of insurance against theft, which is provided by Kryptonite.

The other chain lock systems from Kryptonite are rated by Kryptonite as being one level lower than the Fahgettaboudit, and provide $3,000 of insurance, compared with $3,500 for their best locks. The EV Disc, like the Fahgettaboudit padlock, has also passed testing by insurance institutes in the UK and Europe, which is required by some independent insurance companies.

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