314 miles in 48 hrs - possible or not?
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It may have been mentioned upthread, but make sure your guy spends the $250 or whatever on a fitting. Otherwise he is in for a world of discomfort.
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Heart attacks were yes from cocaine.....lots of it. That was a long time ago though...and while there were 3 "episodes" that required medical care....actual "heart attack" by clinical definition is a bit dodgy. Dan is known to maybe exaggerate just a little bit from time to time. He has been clean off of hard drugs for a very long time.
I love all the responses though keep em coming this is great! This is why I came here because you guys actually know what you are talking about. I have learned more than I ever knew about cycling in the past 36 hrs lol. Makes me want to go buy a bike.
I love all the responses though keep em coming this is great! This is why I came here because you guys actually know what you are talking about. I have learned more than I ever knew about cycling in the past 36 hrs lol. Makes me want to go buy a bike.
2. No, don't bet on this event. Given this person's medical history, he is risking his life with this venture. "Heart attack" means some degree of permanent damage to the heart muscle. Scar tissue has replaced some of the heart muscle, reducing its effectiveness forever. Continued reasonable levels of exercise can strengthen the remaining heart tissue and even grow secondary blood vessels, if any were blocked, but he can never be in the same fitness category as someone without his history.
Even if he's going through with it anyway, I wouldn't want to be part of a wager that could end very badly for him - way worse than just losing his and other people's money.
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My question wasn't related to the final stretch in or near Las Vegas, but the entire stretch from leaving Mojave preserve to the Nevada line and on to the city, essentially the last 50 miles or so. From what I see on maps, there is no parallel, so if that can't be ridden the next shortest route is more like 360 miles, with some added climbs.
If this were just a ride, I'd take an even longer route of almost 400 miles to avoid high density corridors, but as far as this bet goes, not being able to ride I-15 in Nevada is a deal breaker.
If this were just a ride, I'd take an even longer route of almost 400 miles to avoid high density corridors, but as far as this bet goes, not being able to ride I-15 in Nevada is a deal breaker.
There are a couple of roads that also seem to go parallel to I-15 west of the border.
You know, a follow car with hazard lights could help a lot for cruising down a busy LV BLVD at 10 MPH. It never hurts to let the local law enforcement know your plans though.
02-23-16, 02:38 PM
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Yes and no. There's a long list of segments where it's legal to ride the 15 from Victimville east... but the chances of surviving it dwindle with each passing mile. The idea of trying to slug it up Baker Grade on the shoulder of the 15 on a bicycle while loaded semis blast by at 60mph... dear god. And the 15 is under constant construction. It's not fun in a car. This is why Google picks Morning Star Mine Road-- it's essentially abandoned.
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2. No, don't bet on this event. Given this person's medical history, he is risking his life with this venture. "Heart attack" means some degree of permanent damage to the heart muscle. Scar tissue has replaced some of the heart muscle, reducing its effectiveness forever. Continued reasonable levels of exercise can strengthen the remaining heart tissue and even grow secondary blood vessels, if any were blocked, but he can never be in the same fitness category as someone without his history.
For example, drug induced V-Tach in a 25 yr old may not indicate permanent cardiac damage.
DVT, and Pulmonary Embolism however, could have serious consequences, but is usually restricted to the venous side of the circulatory system, and thus not causing lasting cardiac complications.
Nonetheless, it is all concerning when a person may be plunging into a 48 hr ride, with only a brief rest period. And, will he actually train up to the ride, or try to do it cold?
And even the suggestion of taking drugs from a person with drug and medical issues in the past is concerning to me.
I'm not seeing a lot of photos of Dan Bilzerian's legs. It appears as if he has a strong upper body, but perhaps lacks a cyclists legs.
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My question wasn't related to the final stretch in or near Las Vegas, but the entire stretch from leaving Mojave preserve to the Nevada line and on to the city, essentially the last 50 miles or so. From what I see on maps, there is no parallel, so if that can't be ridden the next shortest route is more like 360 miles, with some added climbs.
If this were just a ride, I'd take an even longer route of almost 400 miles to avoid high density corridors, but as far as this bet goes, not being able to ride I-15 in Nevada is a deal breaker.
To the OP -- IMO the ride is doable from a riding standpoint, but make sure that the route is legal, or what the final route will be before making any side bets.
If this were just a ride, I'd take an even longer route of almost 400 miles to avoid high density corridors, but as far as this bet goes, not being able to ride I-15 in Nevada is a deal breaker.
To the OP -- IMO the ride is doable from a riding standpoint, but make sure that the route is legal, or what the final route will be before making any side bets.
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He will. There will be no stone left unturned. Everything will be custom just for this trip.
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We don't know the whole history.
For example, drug induced V-Tach in a 25 yr old may not indicate permanent cardiac damage.
DVT, and Pulmonary Embolism however, could have serious consequences, but is usually restricted to the venous side of the circulatory system, and thus not causing lasting cardiac complications.
Nonetheless, it is all concerning when a person may be plunging into a 48 hr ride, with only a brief rest period. And, will he actually train up to the ride, or try to do it cold?
And even the suggestion of taking drugs from a person with drug and medical issues in the past is concerning to me.
I'm not seeing a lot of photos of Dan Bilzerian's legs. It appears as if he has a strong upper body, but perhaps lacks a cyclists legs.
For example, drug induced V-Tach in a 25 yr old may not indicate permanent cardiac damage.
DVT, and Pulmonary Embolism however, could have serious consequences, but is usually restricted to the venous side of the circulatory system, and thus not causing lasting cardiac complications.
Nonetheless, it is all concerning when a person may be plunging into a 48 hr ride, with only a brief rest period. And, will he actually train up to the ride, or try to do it cold?
And even the suggestion of taking drugs from a person with drug and medical issues in the past is concerning to me.
I'm not seeing a lot of photos of Dan Bilzerian's legs. It appears as if he has a strong upper body, but perhaps lacks a cyclists legs.
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Another thought: if this a publicity stunt as well as a bet (and the guy would be stupid not to promote this, livestream it, do vlogs about training, etc ... milk the thing, sell sponsorships, sell ads on the site .... ) then it shouldn't be hard at all to get a police escort for much of the way. usually even if the police don't want to provide an escort free, one can be rented legitimately---real otherwise off-duty cops pulling extra duty in real cop cars, all above-board.
In the same way, any "anomalies" in the route could be resolved with a pledge to the appropriate PBA fund.
As for the cardiac load---other than the hills (which as I have noted, could be done is short segments with short rests without ruining the overall average speed) the guy won't have to work really hard, just long. Leg soreness would be the issue ... and if the guy is willing to take whatever drugs are needed, he could push past that, if it even became an issue.
As I mentioned above, i was part of a group ride last summer which started to LA and passed through Las Vegas, so I know there are routes, I know the highway is safe, I know police ******* can be had if desired, and I know that if those riders could do it in four days, this guy ought to ace it in two. Yeah, it was hot, and there were some long hills, but with full support ... Also this guy can start at midnight and get the first climb out of the way way before sunrise. he can drop into 34x32 and grind a while, rest five minutes, hit it again ... and he will be fresh and ready. Buy the time the sun risds he will be cruising and loving it.
I'd bet the morning of the second day would be pretty unpleasant until he got 15 or so miles in and the blood started flowing ... but we are Not talking about an ultra-mararthon or anything here. This is more going for an extended stroll than it is an athletic event.
If the guy were starting cold, no training, just getting on a bike and doing it, I'd bet the first 20 miles out of LA might break him ... but with months to train, and really train, with trainers, not just do training rides after work ...
I really haven't heard a single reason why this shouldn't be completely doable.
In the same way, any "anomalies" in the route could be resolved with a pledge to the appropriate PBA fund.
As for the cardiac load---other than the hills (which as I have noted, could be done is short segments with short rests without ruining the overall average speed) the guy won't have to work really hard, just long. Leg soreness would be the issue ... and if the guy is willing to take whatever drugs are needed, he could push past that, if it even became an issue.
As I mentioned above, i was part of a group ride last summer which started to LA and passed through Las Vegas, so I know there are routes, I know the highway is safe, I know police ******* can be had if desired, and I know that if those riders could do it in four days, this guy ought to ace it in two. Yeah, it was hot, and there were some long hills, but with full support ... Also this guy can start at midnight and get the first climb out of the way way before sunrise. he can drop into 34x32 and grind a while, rest five minutes, hit it again ... and he will be fresh and ready. Buy the time the sun risds he will be cruising and loving it.
I'd bet the morning of the second day would be pretty unpleasant until he got 15 or so miles in and the blood started flowing ... but we are Not talking about an ultra-mararthon or anything here. This is more going for an extended stroll than it is an athletic event.
If the guy were starting cold, no training, just getting on a bike and doing it, I'd bet the first 20 miles out of LA might break him ... but with months to train, and really train, with trainers, not just do training rides after work ...
I really haven't heard a single reason why this shouldn't be completely doable.
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Another thought: if this a publicity stunt as well as a bet (and the guy would be stupid not to promote this, livestream it, do vlogs about training, etc ... milk the thing, sell sponsorships, sell ads on the site .... ) then it shouldn't be hard at all to get a police escort for much of the way. usually even if the police don't want to provide an escort free, one can be rented legitimately---real otherwise off-duty cops pulling extra duty in real cop cars, all above-board.
In the same way, any "anomalies" in the route could be resolved with a pledge to the appropriate PBA fund.
As for the cardiac load---other than the hills (which as I have noted, could be done is short segments with short rests without ruining the overall average speed) the guy won't have to work really hard, just long. Leg soreness would be the issue ... and if the guy is willing to take whatever drugs are needed, he could push past that, if it even became an issue.
As I mentioned above, i was part of a group ride last summer which started to LA and passed through Las Vegas, so I know there are routes, I know the highway is safe, I know police ******* can be had if desired, and I know that if those riders could do it in four days, this guy ought to ace it in two. Yeah, it was hot, and there were some long hills, but with full support ... Also this guy can start at midnight and get the first climb out of the way way before sunrise. he can drop into 34x32 and grind a while, rest five minutes, hit it again ... and he will be fresh and ready. Buy the time the sun risds he will be cruising and loving it.
I'd bet the morning of the second day would be pretty unpleasant until he got 15 or so miles in and the blood started flowing ... but we are Not talking about an ultra-mararthon or anything here. This is more going for an extended stroll than it is an athletic event.
If the guy were starting cold, no training, just getting on a bike and doing it, I'd bet the first 20 miles out of LA might break him ... but with months to train, and really train, with trainers, not just do training rides after work ...
I really haven't heard a single reason why this shouldn't be completely doable.
In the same way, any "anomalies" in the route could be resolved with a pledge to the appropriate PBA fund.
As for the cardiac load---other than the hills (which as I have noted, could be done is short segments with short rests without ruining the overall average speed) the guy won't have to work really hard, just long. Leg soreness would be the issue ... and if the guy is willing to take whatever drugs are needed, he could push past that, if it even became an issue.
As I mentioned above, i was part of a group ride last summer which started to LA and passed through Las Vegas, so I know there are routes, I know the highway is safe, I know police ******* can be had if desired, and I know that if those riders could do it in four days, this guy ought to ace it in two. Yeah, it was hot, and there were some long hills, but with full support ... Also this guy can start at midnight and get the first climb out of the way way before sunrise. he can drop into 34x32 and grind a while, rest five minutes, hit it again ... and he will be fresh and ready. Buy the time the sun risds he will be cruising and loving it.
I'd bet the morning of the second day would be pretty unpleasant until he got 15 or so miles in and the blood started flowing ... but we are Not talking about an ultra-mararthon or anything here. This is more going for an extended stroll than it is an athletic event.
If the guy were starting cold, no training, just getting on a bike and doing it, I'd bet the first 20 miles out of LA might break him ... but with months to train, and really train, with trainers, not just do training rides after work ...
I really haven't heard a single reason why this shouldn't be completely doable.
Not sure if any type of escort police or otherwise will be allowed. Unless it is someone trailing him with supplies, and not able to help him by being in front.
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Tom Brady could do that.
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Might be rough but for that kind of money it is easily doable. You could stay up all night and eat on the saddle for 48 hours at 6 mph.
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I can assure you this is not a publicity stunt. Dan has all the money he ever needs. These types of bets are made all the time in the gambling circles these people run in. It is just another crazy prop bet, and the money while it would be a lot to you or me is really nothing to these guys.
I have weatched some professional poker TV tournaments and the players are always talking about bets like this.
I misspoke; I didn't mean "publicity stunt" in the sense that the guy was trying to get publicity, shopping for his "15 minutes" ... but I would be surprised if the guy didn't do the stuff I mentioned: live stream, training vlogs ...
In any case, the point remains: he can buy safe passage through any road he wants if he is good a politics and generous with his cash. As far as a police escort, the car would be far enough ahead that drafting wouldn't be an issue---we had plenty of police ******* on our ride last summer. Actually the chase vehicle supplies most of the real protection, because the cars are going at five times faster ... they see the chase vehicle's flashers before they see a bike.
The cop is mainly to maneuver through areas where the shoulder is unrideable, there is construction, etc, where the bikes have to use the actual highway surface. Also, because you bothered to call the cops first, the are more willing to let you ride where otherwise they might boot you. we got booted off a few roads because we just assumed they were legal (in some cases, alternating stretches of 15 miles or so are legal ... but not connected by exits or side roads? What?)
Anyway ... the guy has the cash to solve any or the legal/route problems he might encounter
(If no chase vehicle were allowed, the guy might not make it, because he would have to carry too much stuff ... long stretches out there with no water/shelter/stores, so he would have do pretty well loaded touring. As I understood it he could have all the support he wanted. Clarification needed.)
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No riding experience (in last 20 years at least)
2.5 months to train.
35 years old male.
In very good shape.
Best coaching in the world (literally)
Is willing to use PED's or whatever it takes
That is the basic profile of the person trying to do it. I have so many questions if ya'll don't mind me asking this is rather intriguing trying to figure out if it is possible, not really being familiar with biking such a long distance.
The terrain is about a 1100ft incline from start to finish, with some severe climbs/drops just past the half way point. LA to Vegas.
2.5 months to train.
35 years old male.
In very good shape.
Best coaching in the world (literally)
Is willing to use PED's or whatever it takes
That is the basic profile of the person trying to do it. I have so many questions if ya'll don't mind me asking this is rather intriguing trying to figure out if it is possible, not really being familiar with biking such a long distance.
The terrain is about a 1100ft incline from start to finish, with some severe climbs/drops just past the half way point. LA to Vegas.
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I can assure you this is not a publicity stunt. Dan has all the money he ever needs. These types of bets are made all the time in the gambling circles these people run in. It is just another crazy prop bet, and the money while it would be a lot to you or me is really nothing to these guys.
Not sure if any type of escort police or otherwise will be allowed. Unless it is someone trailing him with supplies, and not able to help him by being in front.
Not sure if any type of escort police or otherwise will be allowed. Unless it is someone trailing him with supplies, and not able to help him by being in front.
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yes, i get that, thanks for clarifying anyway.
I have weatched some professional poker TV tournaments and the players are always talking about bets like this.
I misspoke; I didn't mean "publicity stunt" in the sense that the guy was trying to get publicity, shopping for his "15 minutes" ... but I would be surprised if the guy didn't do the stuff I mentioned: live stream, training vlogs ...
In any case, the point remains: he can buy safe passage through any road he wants if he is good a politics and generous with his cash. As far as a police escort, the car would be far enough ahead that drafting wouldn't be an issue---we had plenty of police ******* on our ride last summer. Actually the chase vehicle supplies most of the real protection, because the cars are going at five times faster ... they see the chase vehicle's flashers before they see a bike.
The cop is mainly to maneuver through areas where the shoulder is unrideable, there is construction, etc, where the bikes have to use the actual highway surface. Also, because you bothered to call the cops first, the are more willing to let you ride where otherwise they might boot you. we got booted off a few roads because we just assumed they were legal (in some cases, alternating stretches of 15 miles or so are legal ... but not connected by exits or side roads? What?)
Anyway ... the guy has the cash to solve any or the legal/route problems he might encounter
(If no chase vehicle were allowed, the guy might not make it, because he would have to carry too much stuff ... long stretches out there with no water/shelter/stores, so he would have do pretty well loaded touring. As I understood it he could have all the support he wanted. Clarification needed.)
I have weatched some professional poker TV tournaments and the players are always talking about bets like this.
I misspoke; I didn't mean "publicity stunt" in the sense that the guy was trying to get publicity, shopping for his "15 minutes" ... but I would be surprised if the guy didn't do the stuff I mentioned: live stream, training vlogs ...
In any case, the point remains: he can buy safe passage through any road he wants if he is good a politics and generous with his cash. As far as a police escort, the car would be far enough ahead that drafting wouldn't be an issue---we had plenty of police ******* on our ride last summer. Actually the chase vehicle supplies most of the real protection, because the cars are going at five times faster ... they see the chase vehicle's flashers before they see a bike.
The cop is mainly to maneuver through areas where the shoulder is unrideable, there is construction, etc, where the bikes have to use the actual highway surface. Also, because you bothered to call the cops first, the are more willing to let you ride where otherwise they might boot you. we got booted off a few roads because we just assumed they were legal (in some cases, alternating stretches of 15 miles or so are legal ... but not connected by exits or side roads? What?)
Anyway ... the guy has the cash to solve any or the legal/route problems he might encounter
(If no chase vehicle were allowed, the guy might not make it, because he would have to carry too much stuff ... long stretches out there with no water/shelter/stores, so he would have do pretty well loaded touring. As I understood it he could have all the support he wanted. Clarification needed.)
But we have months to figure out all these details, never realized someone trailing would help rider though.
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With long rides, it isn't as much leg soreness, as general fatigue. No significant lactic acid load. Just fatigue.
I wouldn't choose anything more than mild analgesics (tylenol/NSAIDS) for aches.
I can assure you this is not a publicity stunt. Dan has all the money he ever needs. These types of bets are made all the time in the gambling circles these people run in. It is just another crazy prop bet, and the money while it would be a lot to you or me is really nothing to these guys.
It may well be possible to get a group of a dozen or so riders to ride the course (or part of it) with him.
Having a follow car could help with busy streets, although follow cars induce their own traffic issues.
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There are so many pain medications out there---how do you think NFL linemen can separate a shoulder in the first quarter and be back in the game in the second quarter?
I am sure there are drugs I don't know about and don't much care to research, which could relieve soreness much more effectively than just acetaminophen and ibuprofen, without a lot of side effects.
Just Say "No" to drugs ... other than the ones I think are okay. That's been the story all along, hasn't it?
I am sure there are drugs I don't know about and don't much care to research, which could relieve soreness much more effectively than just acetaminophen and ibuprofen, without a lot of side effects.
Just Say "No" to drugs ... other than the ones I think are okay. That's been the story all along, hasn't it?
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Yes and no. There's a long list of segments where it's legal to ride the 15 from Victimville east... but the chances of surviving it dwindle with each passing mile. The idea of trying to slug it up Baker Grade on the shoulder of the 15 on a bicycle while loaded semis blast by at 60mph... dear god. And the 15 is under constant construction. It's not fun in a car. This is why Google picks Morning Star Mine Road-- it's essentially abandoned.
I CLEARLY asked about legality and/or alternatives to I-15 in NEVADA, and you're talking about I-15 in CA, where there are plenty of alternatives, but that doesn't address the issue.
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the Cyclist (film) he rode in a circle, non stop, for a week.Bicycleran (1987) - IMDb
314 / 48 = slightly more than 6.5 mph, if you go non stop. So it's then more sleep deprivation than speed .
314 / 48 = slightly more than 6.5 mph, if you go non stop. So it's then more sleep deprivation than speed .
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No bikes on the 15 between Jean, NV (about 12 miles from stateline) and Lamb Blvd, which is at the far north end of Vegas. No bikes on the 215/515 in Vegas at all. The bike route from Primm adds about 3.5 miles compared to the freeway. So the important parts of the 15 question are all in California, as almost 90% of the trip comes before Stateline. South LV Blvd. runs from Primm all the way into the city, mostly parallel to the 15.
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02-23-16, 07:07 PM
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Several years back when I would ride centuries on a whim for fun (I think I did 9 of them in the summer of 2010), I found that my body felt great up to the distance I was used to. I could jump off the bike after 105 miles, drive home, eat, and felt like I could go do another 30 miles. However, one day I decided to do a 130 mile loop.....around mile 107, my body seemed to inquire as to what was going on. By mile 115, it clearly wasn't happy with my decision. By mile 125, I wanted nothing more than the ride to end as my sides were absolutely killing me....but unfortunately I had another 4+ miles to go. Granted, fighting a 15-25 mph side/headwind for 7 1/2 hours (solo) kinda sucked a lot, but I found my body had adapted just fine up to 6 hours on the bike and my fitness level and bike fit was good. However, my supporting core muscles were the weak link here. I would say Dan will want to get some long training rides in at a sustainable pace to get accustomed to just being on a bike that long, especially not being a cyclist....and goes without saying, a really good bike fit as well. A couple weeks after the 130 miler, I did a hilly 114 mile ride, and I felt like a million bucks. Dan has a strong core already judging by his workouts and what he does, but strength and power doesn't necessarily bode well for endurance (although, it's better than nothing). Dan is pretty fit.....probably not cycling fit, but I think overall comfort will become his main issue on that ride.
02-23-16, 07:50 PM
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See my links page for a long list of possibilities:
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Thousands of people do these sorts of rides every year.
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I say we set up a match race with Matchka and this guy. 24 hrs, most miles. I know who I'd bet on, PEDs or not.