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Old 05-19-05, 10:36 AM   #1
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Does less float = easier release??

I use a pair of Look Keo pedals with the red cleats provided in the pack and find that there's a lot of float and find it difficult to uncleat. Is this due to the float or due to my shoes being too wide or my feet and socks being wet or all of the above? I'm wondering if getting the grey or black fixed cleats will result in easier release. It makes me nervous not being able to uncleat as easily as when I used Shimano Ultegra pedals. Should I try the grey or black cleats or revert to my Ultegra pedals? I fell on my side (thankfully on the beach) today during the transition from bike to run as I couldn't get my foot out, and my first triathlon is next weekend.
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How about lowering the release tension? Won't that make it easy enough to clip out?
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First it's not uncleat, it's unclip.

Float is not related to pedal release. That's for the pedal tension to decide.

Solution is what moxfyre said, lower the release tension. Eventually you'll up it because you might find that you accidentally clip out during sprints or mashing down hard.

Your sentence should look more like.

Less Pedal Tension = Easier Release
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It's already at the factory preset loosest tension and I find that too tight
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It's already at the factory preset loosest tension and I find that too tight
Hmmm... it might just be a process of getting used to these new pedals, then. I have red look cleats and older Look 255 pedals, I find that it's easy to get a comfortable release tension.

I haven't tried the black or grey cleats, but I know that I would definitely NOT want to lose any float, that would be very hard on my knees.

Did your old Shimano Ultegra pedals have less float?
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Yes, my old Shimano cleats had less float. I also thought it would be a matter of getting used to the pedals but it was scary trying unsuccessfully to unclip on a few occasions on these relatively new pedals. I also wonder if it's my shoes. I'm wearing men's shoes (Shimano R151) as noone sells women's shoes in my country. Perhaps its too wide but I didn't have a problem with my Shimano pedals.
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Does it feel like you actually have to push HARDER to unclip? Or just that you have to push FARTHER to unclip?

Cause I think if it's the latter, then less float will make a difference (or you can adjust the angle of your cleats ), but if it's the former then it's clearly the tension spring that's causing you the problems.
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It's already at the factory preset loosest tension and I find that too tight
Well nothing can save you except stick with it/practice it out, or go back to platform pedals.
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I had Time atac pedals and afterabout a mile, it was very difficult to unclip.At times I didn't think I would get out(needless to say,that scared the hell out of me) They have alot of float and no adjustable tension. Moved to Ritchey pedals not as easy to get into as the Times, but much easier to get out of. Problem, hotfoot and/or numbness. On to Ultegra road pedals, much bigger surface and less numbness, still practicing, definately easier to get out of. So yes, for me the amount of float had alot to do with clipping in and out.
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moxfyre has exactly the right question.
The red Look Keo cleats have quite a wide float so it takes a while to get used to the wider ankle movement needed to unclip. The factory tension which is at the lowest setting is quite frankly very easy to get off unless something is wrong with your particular pedals. If one pedal is harder than the other then something is wrong and I would have it exchanged.
The gray cleats offer half the float provided by the red cleats. They might match more closely what you were experiencing with the Ultegra pedals. I almost went for them when I got replacement cleats last month but decided that my knees were so happy with my current setup that I didn't want taking the risk to upset them.
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I noticed posters in other threads mentioned that Look pedals are particularly difficult to get used to.
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I don't have those exact pedals but my LOOKs have adjustable float 3, 6 or 9. The top of the pedal has a hole for an allen key to fit in and reduce the float. This may help.

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I had Time atac pedals and afterabout a mile, it was very difficult to unclip.At times I didn't think I would get out(needless to say,that scared the hell out of me) They have alot of float and no adjustable tension. Moved to Ritchey pedals not as easy to get into as the Times, but much easier to get out of. Problem, hotfoot and/or numbness. On to Ultegra road pedals, much bigger surface and less numbness, still practicing, definately easier to get out of. So yes, for me the amount of float had alot to do with clipping in and out.
I've never had a problem unclipping with Time ATACs. I use them on my MTB on technical terrain. I can release with inboard twist in addition to outboard twist. Note that with ATACs, the tension is unrelated to release angle. The ATACs have a free-float region (both angular and lateral) which is preset. After you leave the free-float, you hit spring tension which will try and bring your foot back to the free-float region. After exceeding a certain angle (13 or 17 deg depending on how you have positioned your cleats), you will release. The new generation of ATACs allow you to adjust the spring tension. However, adjusting spring tension does not change release angle. That's still done via cleat positioning.
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I have to twist my ankle farther to unclip, and I also wish the tension could be less (perhaps cos I'm a petite framed female rider? I weigh 105 pounds) . I suppose that means that there's more float than I'm accustomed to, and also that I'll have to get used to the tension. Perhaps with less float it'll be better than. Thank you all for your kind replies!
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I just changed to grey cleats with 4.5 deg of float (the red ones have 9 deg of float) and they are SO much better. THey feel more like my old Shimanos, so I'm really pleased.
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