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    Critical Mass Hassled by Critical A$$e$

    Okay, I've waited 24 hours to post this, because I didn't want to write while I was angry. Well, I'm still pi$$ed twenty-four hours later, so I'm writing it anyway.

    I went out for my first Critical Mass and met up with about 70+ other riders last night, almost all of whom were experienced commuters. There was even a couple of camera-persons along for the ride to document the event. One was riding in a 50's style Indian pedi-cab. Many of the cyclists had digital cameras or camera-phones and, as it turned out, they would need them and not just for taking pictures of the awesome collection of cyclists. All was going well: we proceeded slowly and received very few protests from inconvenienced motorists. We were pointedly polite when we blocked intersections, thanking drivers for their patience and only a few honked their objections. We only created one significant incident when we stopped in the middle of a one busy intersection, dismounted and raised our bikes over our heads before clearing the way and letting everyone go about their business.

    About fifteen minutes later, the cops swooped down on us: one motorcycle cop, three bicycle cops and two cruisers with two officers each. They demanded we ride in single-file on the right. We countered that we were entitled to the entire right lane and were not restricted to riding in single-file. I even pointed out that the three bike cops were riding side by side when they approached and were out at the far side of the lane as we were speaking. They were unimpressed, attemting to cite the Highway Traffic Act regulations that many of us had considerable knowledge of as well. It was rather comical that they didn't know as much as they thought.

    The motorcycle cop was the most beligerent, threatening to arrest people for riding too slowly on the street and on the sidewalk until we reminded him, rather vociferously, that we couldn't be ticketed for that when we were not moving during our...ahem...conversation and, in fact, most had dismounted their bikes on the sidewalk. I added that there are other vehicles like back-hoes that blocked traffic regularly and they were not ticketed. One rider politely asked him to stop idling his motor-cycle while he was reading us the riot act wherein he proceeded to rev his engine over and over, sending a noxious cloud blue smoke over everyone. When the smoke cleared and he was questioned why he was intent on killing us, he laughed. When he was questioned why he wasn't preventing motorists from killing and injuring motorists, he said it was our fault. I then asked him how many motorists had been killed by cyclists. He didn't have a smart-assed answer for that.

    Then they arrested one guy for refusing to give his name. Then they started going over each and every persons bike to check for virtually every single safety feature. I asked them why they were being such hard-asses, why eight cops were busy with us while motorists throughout the rest of the downtown core were now free to drive as recklessly as they wanted to, because us cyclists (and we all know how much damage and mayhem we cause) were being such a menace. They had no answers. I asked them why they didn't protect us and ensure our safety, like they were supposed to do, pointing out that the legend on their cars and motorcycles states 'to serve and protect' not 'ignore and harass.' We only got steely glares and no-nonsense attitude.

    Yes, I know, our questions and protests were somewhat naive, but none-the-less valid.

    They were going to give me a ticket for not having a reflective strip on my stretched Firebike cruiser until I pointed out that the entire frame was painted in reflective paint, just like they had on their patrol-cars and that I would consider malicious prosecution legal action if I had to take time of work to prove we were doing nothing wrong. With three lights on the front, two on the rear and a 115db air horn they couldn't find anything else to cite me for. But it was the unnecessary persecution by these nazi's that got to me. I will be writing to the mayor ( a left-wing, cycling kind of guy) to appraise him how an official Bike Week event was dealt with by his cops and how, if it hadn't been for the documentary camera crew as well as everyone else's digital video cams, things would have been much worse judging by the attitudes of the jerks they slap a badge on.

    Did anyone else attend a Critical Mass? How did the cops react?

    Thanks for letting me get that off my chest. I feel much better now.

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    Geez...Glad I missed this one...with my Fixie with no lights, no bell, no brakes, no refelcters...I would have been locked up for life!

    Good idea writing the mayor. Its very apparent that you are an articulate person and with that I would also write to the Chief of Police and perhaps even contact the people at City TV...

    How cool would it be to have one/or some of their people along on a Critical Mass Ride with a camera, acting as one of us plebes and then reporting on the antics...One good story could really do a lot for the cyclists.

    I know for a fact that there are a LOT of great cops in Toronto who have defended cyclists over the motorists and upkept the law rather than harassing the cyclists for the simply fun of it...But I think that the cops who tend to show up for the Critical Mass nights must be the guys who are being punished for shooting their partner in the foot or something...

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    Here is a copy of the letter I sent to the Mayor this morning.

    Tomorrow, he is to attend the 'Group Ride' to kick-off Bike Week. I wonder whether they'll get the same hassle as we did.

    Mr. Mayor,

    You may recall, I have written to you a few times during the past year
    regarding bicycle issues such as bike lanes being left uncleared of
    snow and ice and suggesting the TTC add bike racks to their vehicles.
    While the bike lanes issue was never rectified - Mother Nature having
    resolved the issue by melting the ice on her own...eventually, it is good to see
    that the TTC will launch its bike-rack pilot program soon.

    However, you should be made aware of the attitudes and actions of your
    police department regarding cyclists. I attended Critical Mass this
    past Friday, an event listed in the official Bike Week guide. The
    approximately 60-70 cyclists encountered few, if any, disgruntled
    motorists as we were expressedly polite and nonconfrontational when
    our 'parade' inconvenienced a few during the early evening hours
    (specifically chosen to cause less impact to motorists). Along Queens
    Park we were accosted by eight police officers in two cruisers, a
    motorcycle and three bicycles. They demanded we ride in single-file
    in spite of the fact that cyclists are entitled to the entire lane.
    It was even pointed out that the three bike cops did not arrive in
    single-file but spread out over an entire lane. In fact, most of the
    time when I see bicycle-cops they are side by side. The motorcycle cop
    was particularly beligerent and disrespectful when, while we were all
    stopped completely for at least fifteen minutes he was asked to stop
    idling his motor (there is an idling by-law as well, you know). His
    response was to *** the engine several times to envelope everyone in
    noxious fumes and smoke. He threatened to charge cyclists with riding
    on the sidewalk in spite of the fact that we were all stopped, not
    riding, and most had dismounted their bikes on the sidewalk so that we
    would not present a hazard to passing motorists. They then began
    inspecting everyone's bikes, but I doubt there were may citations
    issued as we are and were responsible cyclists who were simply
    bringing awareness to the conditions we must endure. Perhaps they
    should replace the legend on their vehicles from 'To Serve and
    Protect' to 'To Ignore and Harrass,' judging by the behaviour of the
    motorcycle officer and his over-zealous colleagues.

    Where are our rights? We cyclists must always give way to motor
    vehicles and their convenience and the police defend them. The police
    lay few, if any, charges against motorists for infractions that
    involve endangering or disrespecting cyclists. The cops think bikes
    are toys. Do they think their brothers and sisters riding bikes are
    not real cops too?

    I, personally, encounter as many as eight or nine dangerous
    near-misses on my short daily commute, but where are the cops? They're
    all out hassling cyclists, allowing motorists to operate with impunity
    throughout the city. Motorists don't encounter that many
    life-threatening situations. I know, because I used to be a
    motorist-commuter. Yet still the police PROTECT them, not us. We are
    the vulnerable ones, not them. I asked the motorcycle officer how
    often they targeted cars who threaten our lives when we're commuting
    and do you know what he told me? Bike accidents are caused by
    cyclists! While there are irresponsible and reckless bicyclists, no
    one will not acknowledge that, there are even more reckless and
    dangerous motorists. Recent studies prove more than 65% of accidents
    were the fault of motorists yet this enforcer of the law told us that
    we cyclists were all at fault. How may motorists have been killed by
    a cyclist, after all?

    It is clear that Toronto is not serious about bicycling nor
    encouraging and supporting cyclists. The Bike Plan has been stalled
    in its tracks for more than a year. We have fallen well behind every
    other major city in North America in creating a bike-friendly
    environment, according to a recently published report, and nothing is
    being done to reverse that. I really expected better of you. Please
    stop doing those spots on tv promoting bike week while straddling your
    bike if you're not going to be serious about making positive changes.

    Disgusted and disappointed,
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    When you cease to be a silent citizen/consumer and become an activist of any kind, you are crossing a line. The police recognise this fact and begin to treat you as the irritant you have become to them. In some cases, you are much more threatening than this and the official response is commensurately more severe.

    Cycling politics is politics. This is a dirty game. I hope, when you start to come down from your anger, you are still enthused. Respect!

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    I find these types of events get what they deserve. Stopping in a intersection too raise your bikes serves no purpose except, irritating other people who have as much of a right to the road as you. You want respect, give some first. We have as mentioned a pro bike mayor and many consellors that are pro bike or cyclist themselves. You may want to have CC them on your letter, as it does sound like the cops may have crossed the line as well. Commuting and just riding is activism unto itself. Leave the pollitics about the road off the road it just gives the other side amunition.

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    You can send a complaint to the Mayor, the Chief of Police or the Police Commission but it will most likely be forwarded to here - Professional Standards Section.

    The link explains how to make a complaint and the process by which a complaint is resolved.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigManiac
    We only created one significant incident when we stopped in the middle of a one busy intersection, dismounted and raised our bikes over our heads before clearing the way and letting everyone go about their business.
    We do not have these issues where I live, so I don't really have an opinion one way or the other... and I am not trying to make a judgment for or against.

    I only want to understand something:
    (1) What is your goal in stopping at a busy intersection and holding your bikes over your heads?
    (2) Did you accomplish your purpose?
    Last edited by suntreader; 05-29-05 at 08:18 PM.

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    Pretty funny. A bunch of guys bent on "hassling" motorists get "hassled" themselves and start whining. I suspect the officers were trying to make a point: bikes are for riding, not for harrassing tired folks who have worked a full day, and are trying to get to the day care to pick up their kids so they can get home at a reasonable hour.

    "Critical Mass" has become two words that really mean "dumb, immature jerks on bikes". The day AFTER a "critical mass" event, those of us who ride seven days a week have to deal with the "payback" from angry, frustrated people whose vehicles weigh a couple of tons more than ours. And "payback" can be a bear.

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    Respectfully, everyone has had a valid and reasonable response and I thank each of you. I understand that an activist role was taken and I understand that we, the particpamts in Critical Mass, undertook a demonstration. I appreciate the mistakes I and some other members may have made in confronting the authorities. As much as I take responsibility for my actions, I want acknowledgement from the estabishment of their response as well, the mistakes they made.

    I find myself becoming more certain of my course, less concilliiatory and more urgent in my demand for recognition as a cyclist as I grow older and I don't think that's a bad thing. Maybe the method of our message needs refinement, but the message is right. Wrongs were committed on both sides, but in what I saw, the cyclists were respectful and compliant, the police were reluctantly standoffish, though considerably more beligerent and authoritative when the cameras weren't on them. We weren't on the publlic dime, they were. Yes, some cyclists, including myself, were, argumentally, provocative, so were the cops --- and they should understand and know their role. Their ignorance was glaring.

    Perhaps I am becoming somewhat radical and perhaps the Mayors office will recognize that. I hope they see that I am not just angry but suitable in my reasoning. I trust that my message...and those who support it, will carry and be understood.

    And I hope that the cops give the same attention and attitude to the 'Group Ride' the Mayor is attending tommorow as they did to the participants of Critiical Mass.

    Thank you all for your submissions. Your support, criticism and understanding are gratefully received and acknowledged. They deserve greater contemplation. There is a time for extremism and a time for complacency. I need to find both.
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    I'm with you Alan.

    What CMers don't understand is that as cyclists, there's not much alternative to impounding bikes and making arrests. If they write a ticket, what's the accountability? No easy way to track the bike or the rider. Many carry no identification, the bikes have no identification in the vast majority of locations, so what are the supposed to do? Do we want there to be cycling licenses required? Do we want bikes to be required to have license plates? If it keeps up, that's where we'll end up eventually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
    "Critical Mass" has become two words that really mean "dumb, immature jerks on bikes". The day AFTER a "critical mass" event, those of us who ride seven days a week have to deal with the "payback" from angry, frustrated people whose vehicles weigh a couple of tons more than ours. And "payback" can be a bear.
    So true. About ten years ago when I lived in Toledo, Ohio someone was organizing a CM, making all sorts of demands. I knew the guy orginizing the CM. We lived in the same neighborhood. I NEVER saw him on a bike. NEVER. He rode his bike so rarely that he actualy GAVE me his bike. He did drive a lot, sponsered by his parents gas card.

    This need for "cyclist rights" didn't grow naturally out of looking for a solution to a problem, but rather was a way for a bunch of snot nosed little kids to piss off "the man".

    As one of the few year round commuters in Toledo who was a commuter by choice, not because I was crazy or had lost my licence I was horrified that these idiots who DIDN'T EVEN RIDE ON A REGULAR BASIS were trying to represent me. It was the regular cyclist who had to deal with the angry drivers when all the kiddies went back home.

    I also asked this fellow if he talked to anyone from the city's bike commision to try and find a solution to his percieved problem BEFORE he took to the streets. He told me he had not.

    Which do you think he should have tried first; diplomacy or force?

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    What was done to make those Friday cagers want to bike home next Friday?

    I'm very seriously considering selling the "war wagon" and going bike-only, and in my biz I have to go a bunch of places. I've figured out I do 7k miles a year, which averages 20/day, not hard at all to do on a bike. I have my own selfish goals: to get back in shape, have fun (riding a bike is fun) and save a honkin' pile of money. But, I might change a few minds by being out there doing it, and people seeing me "do it all" by bike. And, with the money I save, I might be able to put a few others on 2 wheels.

    Why isn't there a movement called "Bike Friday" or something for every Friday? That's no problem for those who bike often or every day, instead of a once-monthly Chuck You Farley to "the man". And a movement to lend a bike, loan a bike, sell a bike cheaply, to people who actually dare to step out of the cage and give it a try?

    I know driving the "war wagon", it looks dangerous out there for a biker. Same way lane-splitting (legal in some areas) on a motorcycle looks dangerous looking at it from inside a car. But, on a motorcycle, you can see that there's tons of room in between there. In the same way, get out on the road on a bike and you see there's tons of room 99.9% of the time. A lot of car-conscriptees are not going to trot down to the local bike shop and spend $300 or so to try it out, though. But if you loan a bike to that buddy at work who's considering giving it a try, or see a decent bike at the local thrift store and know someone who could use one...... the idea is to get butts on bikes right?

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    I am with you Enig. You are not alone. I have been hit as well as nearly killed by too many cars to wait for their respect and their will to share a road I have an equal right to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigManiac
    . . . But it was the unnecessary persecution by these nazi's that got to me. . . .
    Avoid the Nazi allegations. If the cops had been true Nazis, you'd be dead, especially if you were of the wrong ethnic/religious background. Nazi allegations just make you sound hysterical.

    As to the "safety" check, if you're going to defiantly quote the letter of the law to a cop, you'd better make sure you really are following the letter of the law in all respects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suntreader
    (1) What is your goal in stopping at a busy intersection and holding your bikes over your heads?
    (2) Did you accomplish your purpose?
    I can't answer this question on behalf of the CM'ers in Downtown Toronto Friday, but I can say that the guy in the Lexus SUV I saw in downtown Toronto Saturday blocked an entire intersection, including two streetcars, for an entire light cycle because:

    1) He was in a hurray, and he didn't want to wait his turn.
    2) Yes, he did

    Yes, police witness motorists doing these things, and do nothing.


    Letís recap what Iíve learned this weekend:

    If you bend the laws for political activism, you can apparrently expect to be detained.

    If you break the law just because you think you are more important than everybody else on the road, nothing will happen.



    And to the 'Nazi' semantics poster... you must have never met the *underwear nazi*. You need to hit the road riding forums every now and then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
    bikes are for riding, not for harrassing tired folks who have worked a full day, and are trying to get to the day care to pick up their kids so they can get home at a reasonable hour.

    Yes, the same Toronto motorists who block every road in the city every night with their oversized vehicles, incompetent handling, utter distain for the traffic laws, and frequent accidents. If they're not screaming at me to get on the sidewalk, they're threatening each other with violence. With their day-care-bound kids in the car.

    Yeah, they're real working-class heros.

    Every day of the year the immature antics of Toronto motorists delay ME as I am headed home after work. I have yet to see any crack-downs on that.

    You can think that CM is a good idea or a bad idea, but to argue that the crackdowns are ďfair enoughĒ and that there is no massive double-standard shows a they have been convinced, subconsciously at least, by the "bikes are toys for children, cars are transportation for adults" mindset.


    And Enigmaniac, I hate to bring this up (really), but three weeks ago when a Toronto cop decided to read Darkmother the riot act you were rather unsympathetic, to say the least.

    Maybe once everyone on this board has been ticketed for some inane reason, our opinions on this subject will be more... alike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser
    I can't answer this question on behalf of the CM'ers in Downtown Toronto Friday, but I can say that the guy in the Lexus SUV I saw in downtown Toronto Saturday blocked an entire intersection, including two streetcars, for an entire light cycle because:

    1) He was in a hurray, and he didn't want to wait his turn.
    2) Yes, he did

    Yes, police witness motorists doing these things, and do nothing.


    Letís recap what Iíve learned this weekend:

    If you bend the laws for political activism, you can apparrently expect to be detained.

    If you break the law just because you think you are more important than everybody else on the road, nothing will happen.
    That's nothing. When I lived in Atlanta the cops would have provided the dick in the Lexus curbside service and bought him a cafe latte from Starbucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser
    And Enigmaniac, I hate to bring this up (really), but three weeks ago when a Toronto cop decided to read Darkmother the riot act you were rather unsympathetic, to say the least.
    First, I want to thank you for your support in this thread, ghettocruiser. There have been a number of valid responses that seem to neither condone nor agree with CM so your words of understanding are gratefully acknowledged.

    I appreciate the difference in opinion with those who misperceive CM or simply don't agree with it. Perhaps they don't see that every day is car day all day and for two hours once a month a group of cyclists choose a Friday night after rush hour in an area not congested with car traffic as the work-day is done and few are rushing home to their kids, so the impact is minimal, meet for a ride. Traffic signals were obeyed, but if the group was about to be separated due to a traffic light changing, blockers politely asked drivers to hold on and wait for the cyclists to continue through en masse. No hostility, no threat, no aggression, no extremism was displayed. Unlike the police. Every cyclist there had all their safety equipment, so it is unlikely that during the harassment any tickets were issued, but a scant few may have been. I didn't get details from everyone.

    The difference between Darkmother and what we did is very clear. We did not run reds or amber lights. We all had fully equipped bikes with lights, horns, etc. And we only challenged the police AFTER they insisted we observe rules that are ambiguous and open to interpretation and began throwing their weight around needlessly, threatening needlessly and groundlessly and unfairly targeting the group. No-one was abusive or offensive to the cops that I saw. Ours was a peaceful ride. One CM participant was arrested for not providing his name. I don't know why he didn't. When I was asked, I gave my name. I didn't feel I had anything to be ashamed of or needed to hide. Darkmother by his/her own admission became argumentative and uncooperative with the cop, did not stop at the amber/red signal and did not have a fully equipped bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
    The day AFTER a "critical mass" event, those of us who ride seven days a week have to deal with the "payback" from angry, frustrated people whose vehicles weigh a couple of tons more than ours.
    This is the reason why it's different for the SUV to block an intersection and CM. We aren't wrapped in two tons of steel.

    In the South where I grew up, that kind of antic (stopping traffic and raising bikes over heads) is known as 'Showing your ass'. I don't see how it serves any purpose to engender respect for cyclists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser
    . . .And to the 'Nazi' semantics poster... you must have never met the *underwear nazi*. You need to hit the road riding forums every now and then.
    The "underwear nazi" is like the soup nazi--distant enough from the real thing so that the analogy is clearly a joke. Your use was different. You were talking about the "abuse" of police power. Those cops weren't Nazis. By calling them Nazis, you sounded hysterical. By defending your choice of words, you lose even more credibility. I don't know how we can trust your judgment or your ability to acurately describe reality.

    Unless the cops are rounded up and killing people based on ethnicity, it's best to avoid using this "N-word."

    Edit: I should have noticed that EnigManiac did not repeat his use of the "n-word." Instead, Ghettocruiser defended it. See the note below.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daily Commute
    The "underwear nazi" is like the soup nazi--distant enough from the real thing so that the analogy is clearly a joke. Your use was different. You were talking about the "abuse" of police power. Those cops weren't Nazis. By calling them Nazis, you sounded hysterical. By defending your choice of words, you lose even more credibility. I don't know how we can trust your judgment or your ability to acurately describe reality.

    Unless the cops are rounded up and killing people based on ethnicity, it's best to avoid using this "N-word."
    Ghettocruiser did not use the term 'nazi.' I did. He was merely commenting on your post. I did not defend my use of it nor referred to it again. Perhaps it was too strong a term in my original post, but I warned I wrote it when I was angry and sometimes people embellish when they're angry. But the message was delivered and understood. Dwelling on a simple word is not constructive either. Can we all get past it now? The word 'nazi' is not the issue here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigManiac
    The word 'nazi' is not the issue here.
    If Critical Mass and the 'police hassles' thereof is the issue, it's been done ad nauseum in the Advocacy forum. So far I don't see anything new here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigManiac
    Ghettocruiser did not use the term 'nazi.' I did. He was merely commenting on your post. I did not defend my use of it nor referred to it again. Perhaps it was too strong a term in my original post, but I warned I wrote it when I was angry and sometimes people embellish when they're angry. But the message was delivered and understood. Dwelling on a simple word is not constructive either. Can we all get past it now? The word 'nazi' is not the issue here.
    Fair point. Correction noted. I'm sorry for confusing your post and ghettocruiser's defense of it. I agree, let's move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruiser
    Yes, police witness motorists doing these things, and do nothing.
    Actually the cops have doing blitz on vehicles blocking intersections and pedestrian crossings, I have heard it on the news a few times this year. I agree they should be doing alot more.

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    I have to clear the air here. I donít at all think the cops in Toronto are *out to get me* and everyone else who rides a bike. I have seen cops turn a blind eye to Toronto cyclists doing stuff that *I* thought they should have pulled them over for. I've never actually been pulled over for anything, either driving or riding, and there were times maybe I should have been.

    But if there are not enough police to enforce all of the laws all of the time, which clearly there are not, then we need some discretion with regards to which laws are priorities for enforcement. I tend to think public safety should come first, and in general they do an okay job at this.

    But when guys on bikes are getting dinged for running yellow lights or just riding around downtown, I know someone at 41 division has gotten overzealous about one particular cause. Or they are just being lazy. Either way they're not applying their limited resources to improving community safety, and they make the entire police force look bad.

    It's not just bikes that get picked on. I've seen motorists dinged for doing 55 in a 50 zone. It's a waste of time for everyone involved, when there are cars going 100 in the school zone the next block over. I know that they are harder to catch. But they have to try.

    I know some cops, theyíre great guys who honestly try to improve the safety of the community. Iím not sure what these other cops I hear about are trying to do.
    Last edited by ghettocruiser; 05-30-05 at 12:03 PM. Reason: remove ghetto phrasing

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