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Wonder if the tractor has disc brakes.
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I don't know.
Skinny tires... No disk brakes... Standing to climb on a non-paved surface...
Why are all the roadies doing gravel? The photo doesn't make sense to me.
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Skinny tires... No disk brakes... Standing to climb on a non-paved surface...
Why are all the roadies doing gravel? The photo doesn't make sense to me.
-Tim-
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That's not gravel, that's chip-seal. You can see the exposed tar along the side. Around here they seal new asaphalt with that sh**. The road commission says it's to make the pavement last longer, but I know it's to wear out tires faster and make more money for the tire companies. As well as for the stone suppliers.
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My first Cycle Oregon was in 2002. Crossed the entire state east to west in 6 days. Countless miles of chip seal some days. It really took a toll on peoples' butts. The shop doing service and sales ran out of cream. If you had some to spare you could almost get anything you wanted--like being a crack dealer amidst crackheads.
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Yeah, chip seal is horrible. I could tolerate it for longer rides on my hybrid with 700x42 tires, but after a week on the new-to-me road bike with 700x23 shoes, my neck is begging for mercy. I have no idea how my butt feels, I can't get past the neck and shoulder spasms to ask my lower half how it's feeling.
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I thought I'd share today's Bing.com page picture.
EDIT: I took the "bing challenge." (Remember that?) Bing lost... horribly.
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Bing challenge? Been using Bing for several years but don't remember that.
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I am a cyclist. I am not the fastest or the fittest. But I will get to where I'm going with a smile on my face.
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love. - Psalm 103:8
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That's not gravel, that's chip-seal. You can see the exposed tar along the side. Around here they seal new asaphalt with that sh**. The road commission says it's to make the pavement last longer, but I know it's to wear out tires faster and make more money for the tire companies. As well as for the stone suppliers.
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All search engines track you. Bing included. Not to mention that your ISP can see EVERY website you visit... ever.
Nothing you do online is private. You may as well accept it now.
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I live relatively close to BlazingPedals above. My favorite area to ride in Michigan, just SE of Lansing, is being covered in chipseal. Making my favorite area less and less enjoyable.
I live relatively close to BlazingPedals above. My favorite area to ride in Michigan, just SE of Lansing, is being covered in chipseal. Making my favorite area less and less enjoyable.
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I haven't driven on chipseal since I moved out of PA, but when I did it was just the opposite. Chip Seal creates a crap ton of dust. It's awful for everybody involved.
I've never actually seen it used OVER asphalt. Where I lived they would just fix potholes (like once every 10 years) then chipseal over that... and continue to do that for years and years and years until the road was unrepairable. Then they'd grind it off and put asphalt down.
I've never actually seen it used OVER asphalt. Where I lived they would just fix potholes (like once every 10 years) then chipseal over that... and continue to do that for years and years and years until the road was unrepairable. Then they'd grind it off and put asphalt down.
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Yup, chip seal is often tan in color. It's less dusty than gravel, but holds much more dust, debris and glass than asphalt. Many of my flats have come from grass burrs, tiny shards of glass and wires from worn out steel belted radial tires, all trapped in chip seal's heavily textured surface.
Complaints about rough and noisy chip seal have led some areas to put another layer called "fog seal" to smooth and quiet the surface. I've seen this done in some suburban neighborhoods but so far I haven't seen fog sealing used on any rural areas that were chip sealed, whether through residential areas, farm to market roads or access roads alongside highways.
It's bad enough along my favorite rural routes that I'm seeing no increase in speed (non-wind affected) on my 23 lb road bike with 700x23 tires compared with my 30 lb upright hybrid with 700x42 Continental Speed Ride tires at around 50 psi. I've checked my times over the past week and cannot match my best times on the hybrid. Best I've managed is a 2nd or 3rd best, behind the hybrid's best times (depending on whether I'm using Strava or Cyclemeter -- the latter tends to register slightly faster times with fewer GPS errors). I tried the road bike's tires at 120 psi but the chattering was atrocious -- painful and slower than at 100 psi.
So much energy goes into rolling resistance and bouncing there's little advantage to a conventional older style road bike from an era of 700x18 tires when 700x23 was considered "wide". I can now why there's a trend toward wider tires and less inflation with road bikes now. I'm not sure my road bike's rims or frame can handle 700x28 but I plan to try 25's soon.
The only routes where the road bike has offered a clear advantage has been on smoother asphalt and concrete. Even the striated concrete often laid down as a precursor to asphalt topping is faster on the hybrid, although the gap is narrowed a bit between the two bikes' best times.
Reminds me, I should post a video compilation of riding on the stuff. It's dramatic, the difference between asphalt, chip seal, striated concrete, etc.
Complaints about rough and noisy chip seal have led some areas to put another layer called "fog seal" to smooth and quiet the surface. I've seen this done in some suburban neighborhoods but so far I haven't seen fog sealing used on any rural areas that were chip sealed, whether through residential areas, farm to market roads or access roads alongside highways.
It's bad enough along my favorite rural routes that I'm seeing no increase in speed (non-wind affected) on my 23 lb road bike with 700x23 tires compared with my 30 lb upright hybrid with 700x42 Continental Speed Ride tires at around 50 psi. I've checked my times over the past week and cannot match my best times on the hybrid. Best I've managed is a 2nd or 3rd best, behind the hybrid's best times (depending on whether I'm using Strava or Cyclemeter -- the latter tends to register slightly faster times with fewer GPS errors). I tried the road bike's tires at 120 psi but the chattering was atrocious -- painful and slower than at 100 psi.
So much energy goes into rolling resistance and bouncing there's little advantage to a conventional older style road bike from an era of 700x18 tires when 700x23 was considered "wide". I can now why there's a trend toward wider tires and less inflation with road bikes now. I'm not sure my road bike's rims or frame can handle 700x28 but I plan to try 25's soon.
The only routes where the road bike has offered a clear advantage has been on smoother asphalt and concrete. Even the striated concrete often laid down as a precursor to asphalt topping is faster on the hybrid, although the gap is narrowed a bit between the two bikes' best times.
Reminds me, I should post a video compilation of riding on the stuff. It's dramatic, the difference between asphalt, chip seal, striated concrete, etc.
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So, to make sure I understand what chip seal is, here, on many rural blacktop roads, they periodically spray tar across the lane, then spread gravel. They post signs for cars to keep to 35 mph, ha, ha! Over time, traffic works its magic and traffic pressure settles things. After some period they come back and remove the, remaining loose gravel. It's not a bad surface EXCEPT for the fog line and 4-6 in. either side. That's really rough!
So is this the infamous chip seal?
So is this the infamous chip seal?
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So, to make sure I understand what chip seal is, here, on many rural blacktop roads, they periodically spray tar across the lane, then spread gravel. They post signs for cars to keep to 35 mph, ha, ha! Over time, traffic works its magic and traffic pressure settles things. After some period they come back and remove the, remaining loose gravel. It's not a bad surface EXCEPT for the fog line and 4-6 in. either side. That's really rough!
So is this the infamous chip seal?
So is this the infamous chip seal?
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But there are plenty of other uses for that data, too. For example, ever wonder how navigation apps know where traffic jams are? Our smartphones are transmitting our GPS location to companies like Google and Apple, who can pinpoint what roads all of us are on and how fast we're moving. Using that same geolocation data, they can also determine where we're at and send tailored advertising based on it. And not just right now, but where you typically happen to be on weekday afternoons, for example.
It's not just search engines and online companies, either. The "free WiFi" offered by a lot of retailers is for their benefit as much as it's for your convenience. A number of store chains track what access points in the store a given phone is contacting so they can track customers' movement through the store and tailor sales strategies accordingly.
In general, somebody's footing the bill for any "free" digital service and if you're not the paying customer, you're the product.
True for unencrypted web sites, not entirely true otherwise... But instead of going into detail, I think I'd rather leave it at "yeah, you can generally be tracked" and get back to talking about bikes. ;-)
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I posted the picture on the Bing page because it showed a group of cyclists riding in the Tour of America's Dairyland that started today.
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