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Old 07-16-17, 03:42 PM   #1
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Ebay Team Kits $25 from Hong Kong (??)

I noticed on Ebay that there are hundreds of jersey/bibs combinations for around $25. Are these the real thing, or are they bootleg look-alikes or seconds? Has anyone tried these out? Thanks --- Mick
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Old 07-16-17, 05:50 PM   #2
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If it sounds too good to be true...
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There may well be a licensing fee that someone is not paying.

Whether the fabric is as good as other fabrics, one would have to get one and try it out.
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Old 07-16-17, 07:44 PM   #5
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They are cheap knock offs. I recently got one to replace my old (30+ years) Peugeot jersey. I still wear the old one. If you get one, order at LEAST one size larger than your normal size, two would be better.
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Meh, I've bought knockoffs from China before. They are pretty much worth what you pay for. Not horrible, likely to have branding and color mistakes. Probably cut poorly and/or sized wrong.

In other words, caveat emptor. I'd much rather buy them then knockoff gruppos from China, though.
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I have bought before and my most recent epitomised "caveat emptor". I ordered the jersey 2 sizes larger and it was still small, the zipper would not hold on, the zipper was put on a few mm to one side so the print did not line up and there were some threads already coming loose. And that was right out of the package so I gave it to my wife. She sewed the zipper and it fits her like a club jersey. It only cost me $20 CDN and free shipping So I was not out much.
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I'd much rather buy them then knockoff gruppos
Which don't exist.
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If you get one, order at LEAST one size larger than your normal size, two would be better.
So they are sized to fit the rest of the world, not the U.S. market. I say that because I have tried on quality clothing in high-end shops in Italy that was sized very small. Depending on the manufacturer, I wear either a X or XL jersey. I tried on a XXXL kit jersey in Italy and it was too small. Didn't even bother trying on the matching bibs. Other members of our group had the same problem. One guy was pretty trim and could not get into an XL jersey he really liked despite wearing a medium at home.


Way back in '95 I did a tour built around the last week of the Giro. One day's finish was at the Bianchi factory, which had a store attached to it. I was 6'2" and about 185 lbs. The largest pair of shorts they sold (IIRC, it was a size EU 5 or 6) was just a bit too small.
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I just bought 1, might take a month or 2 to get here.... until then...
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Which don't exist.
I'd find that incredibly hard to believe that stuff I order from China at great discount, if it actually arrives, was made and sold on the up and up. It may not be knockoff, it may well be the company kept a production line running longer than a Shimano or SRAM specified and sold the rest out the back door, but caveat emptor.
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Team kit, you say? They'd have to give me a lot more than $25 to wear even an authentic one!
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Which don't exist.

I dunno about that one, I had a cheap "Shinanno" cassette and RD on a beater bike for a while there...I'm sure you could get "SMAM" or some other name brand parts too.
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You cut out the middlemen. Consumer save alot of money.

Everything about Cycling is so expensive these days...CF frame...disc brakes...it's making us all poor...you have to do whatever it takes to reduce the expense!
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Everything about Cycling is so expensive these days...CF frame...disc brakes...it's making us all poor...you have to do whatever it takes to reduce the expense!
Generally all that entails is shunning the bike mags and not caring what your Saturday morning group ride thinks about you for showing up on a bike in last year's color scheme (or kicking their butts on said "out of date" bike)
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So they are sized to fit the rest of the world, not the U.S. market. I say that because I have tried on quality clothing in high-end shops in Italy that was sized very small. Depending on the manufacturer, I wear either a X or XL jersey. I tried on a XXXL kit jersey in Italy and it was too small. Didn't even bother trying on the matching bibs. Other members of our group had the same problem. One guy was pretty trim and could not get into an XL jersey he really liked despite wearing a medium at home.
The sizing is confusing when ordering from eBay/China. You can specify U.S. size, CN size, or European size. I can understand the difference between CN and U.S., because presumably U.S. folks are bigger, but European?

Anyway, I've gotten burned a few times with the sizing when I specify U.S. and they send me CN, and vise versa. But like someone said earlier, you're out $20-30, and, it's not grossly too big or too small anyway, so still wearable.
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The sizing is confusing when ordering from eBay/China. You can specify U.S. size, CN size, or European size. I can understand the difference between CN and U.S., because presumably U.S. folks are bigger, but European?
Not so much sizing, just fit. I've got a legit (not Chinese knockoff) Giordana jersey they give out at a mass ride I do that is skin tight at XXL. Had to mark XXXL on the form this year. I still fit into most L t-shirts in Europe, though.

Worst case too, it becomes wall decoration for the bike garage/cave.
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I've had decent luck with Chinese knock-offs, probably a 75%-80% success rate. I've found color variations and designs that fall into the 'fantasy' category - wouldn't get those anywhere else. And some of the clothing turned out to be a perfect fit for me. Considering what I've spent, I'm happy with what I've gotten.
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I have bought several cycling outfits using Wish app on the iPhone with much success. The stuff are made and shipped from China. In fact, one outfit, long sleeve jersey and a padded long pant, I paid $34, and I found the exact same at REI with %40 discount for $130. They also have a website, wish.com, however, I haven't bought anything there.
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Generally all that entails is shunning the bike mags and not caring what your Saturday morning group ride thinks about you for showing up on a bike in last year's color scheme (or kicking their butts on said "out of date" bike)
That's why I still ride my 33 year old Peugeot. It may be old school but I can stay in line with the best of 'em and it's as clean as the day it was new. I actually get lots of comments on it, unlike the modern stuff. I ride what I ride and if someone doesn't like it, they don't have to look.
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I'd much rather buy them then knockoff gruppos from China, though.
Genuinely havent seen knock off drivetrain and bike components before. Interesting- ill have to start keeping an eye out. I wonder if its just a generic component thats branded or if its shaped like the real thing. You know like a generic square taper crankset thats labeled as a 5800 Hollowtech II crankset, or if its a poorly made visual copy of a 5800 Hollowtech II.
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So they are sized to fit the rest of the world, not the U.S. market.
eh...Is much of Central America, Middle East, and Europe really THAT much less obese to the point of not needing 'American sizing'?
World Obesity Federation | Data

Interesting map.
- shocked that obesity is so low for Russian men.
- shocked how high obesity is in New Zealand when its so low in its neighbor Australia.
- shocked at the % difference between men and women in South Africa.

Anyways- 25% of men and women in Italy and Germany are obese. Sure, thats lower than the US, but its still a statistically significant % and close enough to the US to warrant 'American sizing'.
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Everything about Cycling is so expensive these days...CF frame...disc brakes...it's making us all poor...you have to do whatever it takes to reduce the expense!

As with much of life- Cycling is as expensive as you want to make it.
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Genuinely havent seen knock off drivetrain and bike components before. Interesting- ill have to start keeping an eye out. I wonder if its just a generic component thats branded or if its shaped like the real thing. You know like a generic square taper crankset thats labeled as a 5800 Hollowtech II crankset, or if its a poorly made visual copy of a 5800 Hollowtech II.
I use knockoff loosely, they may well have been something like factory seconds or unauthorized production. I tried to find a couple examples, but it looks like eBay cleaned up their China sellers quite well, the only thing I can find now are obvious scams (i.e., full Ultegra for $22 type listings), or those prices right near the British companies. Granted, the latter may well have just been the sellers deciding that they could get more.

Something along the lines of this, though: New Shimano Ultegra HOLLOWTECH II 2x11-speed R8000 8000 Road Components Groupset | eBay
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Genuinely havent seen knock off drivetrain and bike components before. Interesting- ill have to start keeping an eye out. I wonder if its just a generic component thats branded or if its shaped like the real thing. You know like a generic square taper crankset thats labeled as a 5800 Hollowtech II crankset, or if its a poorly made visual copy of a 5800 Hollowtech II.

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