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Old 06-19-05, 11:43 PM   #1
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This has to be a repost.
If it is, sorry maybe someone new will see this, if not, then everyone should watch this.


http://www.mcccxxxvii.com/video/misc...ef20041004.mov
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http://homepage.mac.com/neistatbroth...ef20041004.mov

(If you can download it from the first link so we save the other people bandwith. Thanks)

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Old 06-20-05, 04:52 AM   #2
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If it is a repost, *I* hadn't seen it.

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I bet you could use a blow-torch to cut the bike off of a roof rack, no one wouldn’t say a word. Most people only care about themselves, and won’t get involved in anything unless it is directly affecting them. This is just one more video to confirm my analogy that people suck.

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Old 06-20-05, 05:51 AM   #4
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Totally unsurprising, except that I had no idea there were electrical outlets in light posts !!
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repost - but always nice to see just how concerned joe public is. Not my bike - not my problem.
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Old 06-20-05, 06:40 AM   #6
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Totally unsurprising, except that I had no idea there were electrical outlets in light posts !!

Actually not all them have electrical outlets, but quite a few do for workers tools.


That video is freakin scary, the fact that someone stops and helps, what is this world coming to. GEESH
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I guess most people either assume he's the bike's owner and lost the key, or simply don't want to get involved. I have to admit that's what it looked like to me viewing the scene objectively -- I mean, why else would the guy be out in broad daylight chopping away. What's the average person going to do?

"Hey, is that your bike?"
"Yes, it is."
"Oh, OK."

or

"Hey, is that your bike?"
"Yes."
"Can you prove it?"
"F**k off."

or

"Hey, what do you think you're doing there?"
"Retrieving my bike, what's it to you?"
"Well, I just thought..."
"We are taking this armoire, and that's all there is to it!"
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Old 06-20-05, 07:18 AM   #8
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Years ago, when I worked on an Indian reserve, there was a problem with car theft (things inside the car, not the car itself, which would be pretty hard to hide in a small community) and vandalism. I had a brand new SUV. As a recently graduated psychologist, I decided to try an experiment. I always left the car unlocked and the windows rolled down. Only once was the car vandalized when somebody scratched graffiti on the hood. Nobody ever stole anything from the inside of the car, even though I left my valuables lying around, including my rifle. What the experiment set out to prove was that the joy was in breaking into the car, not stealing its contents. By leaving it open, I took away the challenge for the would-be theives.
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Old 06-20-05, 11:35 AM   #9
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Years ago, when I worked on an Indian reserve, there was a problem with car theft (things inside the car, not the car itself, which would be pretty hard to hide in a small community) and vandalism. I had a brand new SUV. As a recently graduated psychologist, I decided to try an experiment. I always left the car unlocked and the windows rolled down. Only once was the car vandalized when somebody scratched graffiti on the hood. Nobody ever stole anything from the inside of the car, even though I left my valuables lying around, including my rifle. What the experiment set out to prove was that the joy was in breaking into the car, not stealing its contents. By leaving it open, I took away the challenge for the would-be theives.
That is extremely interesting. It might not apply here though. I think pro bike thieves (the kind who can get through any lock) in big cities are motivated by money.
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This has to be a repost.
If it is, sorry maybe someone new will see this, if not, then everyone should watch this.


http://www.mcccxxxvii.com/video/misc...ef20041004.mov
or
http://homepage.mac.com/neistatbroth...ef20041004.mov

(If you can download it from the first link so we save the other people bandwith. Thanks)
You've got to wonder if the camera was visible from where the bikes were 'stolen'.
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Old 06-20-05, 01:39 PM   #11
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I've seen that video before. One other I've seen which was *really* interesting, I can't seem to find anymore. In it, police (NY, I think) bug a bike with a radio transmitter and lock it, with a camera watching it. Sure enough, a bike messenger comes along and, seeing it, dumps his POS fixie pulls a huge pair of bolt cutters out of his bag, and makes off with the bike. Takes him less than ten seconds. Cops give chase, and the last video of the chase that you see is of him riding against traffic on an expressway. After losing him, the cops use the transmitter to locate the bike. They bust into his mom's apartment to find he's stashed it in a bedroom and gone back to reclaim his bike, probably confident that it will still be there (being a POS.) IIRC, the sting operation netted several bike thieves, all were bike messengers.
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Old 06-20-05, 02:14 PM   #12
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IIRC, the sting operation netted several bike thieves, all were bike messengers.
That would really surprise me - I saw video of a sting with a guy that had bolt cutters in a messenger bag, but I don't think that he actually was a messenger - just used the bag because it was big enough to fit the cutters...
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I've always heard messengers are pretty intolerant of thieves. I figured you would be ostracized from the 'scene' for doing that.

Not that I would know. I ride lowly geared bikes.
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I was doing surveilence one night from a tall building ( retired LEO ) and I spied a person skulking (?) around cars. he eventualy went behind a large van ( happened to be mine in fact ) and started to hammer at the bike lock on several bikes. I called in the troops and it seemed like forever till they showed up. When they took the the b/g away one of the guys pointed up at the roof where I was and the guy was upset that we had the gall to be watching him.
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Old 06-20-05, 10:51 PM   #15
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I think we should put a taser under the seat of a nice bike with a motion activated timer/ trigger.

we should get that on video.
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Frigger... I guess its time for me to buy a few more locks...
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Three comments on the movie.

First, NYC is renowned for people minding their own business and not getting involved. I bet that if you moved to another location, you would be more likely to get a "good samaritan" to step forward.

Second, passers-by are smarter than you think. Even if the person wants to help, what can they do? It would not be prudent to challenge a thief yourself. How do you know how he will react? If you call the police, by the time the cops arrive, the bike will be gone. (Except for the hacksaw, it took only a minute or so for each of the methods).

Third, even though the filmmakers thought they were looking suspicious, most people assume that people doing things in broad daylight are legitimate. I don't walk around assuming that everybody carying tools is going to steal something. And in fact, I'm right. For every one act of crime, there are hundreds of people just doing their jobs and acting legally. So it would be irrational for the average person to be suspicious. In fact, contarry to what Bigmark said, that "people suck," actually a few people suck and most people are highly moral. Despite a few bad elements, our society doesn't fall apart into lawlessness.
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I've been saying for the longest that you're much better off hiding the bicycle. Leaving out in the open where people can see it is asking for trouble. Bicycle racks are the worse place to lock a bike and a bus stop would be next.
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I agree with Cedo; why would I walk up to a guy who has a hacksaw in his had, or a bolt cutter or the electric tool and challenge him? If I get the s*** beat out of me who cares?
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The last place I worked, a guy came inside the chainlink fence and onto the grounds to steal an employee's bike. Thirty feet away other employees were having a picnic lunch and watched the guy trying the lock.

I watched them for a minute before I went out and told the thief that I had already called the cops. I just wanted to see if they would ever do anything. He actually tried the lock a few more times while I was standing there before leaving. He just walked away slowly.
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"We are taking this armoire, and that's all there is to it!"
lol, the ****ing armoire, classic
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Police stealing your bikes. People probably have seen these but I'll post again:

http://www.times-up.org/parking_bad.php

http://www.times-up.org/video/cops_cut_locks.mp4
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I think we should put a taser under the seat of a nice bike with a motion activated timer/ trigger.

we should get that on video.
Not a bad idea actually! Maybe rig it so the handlebars are eletrified, then they can't stand and ride...
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The last place I worked, a guy came inside the chainlink fence and onto the grounds to steal an employee's bike. Thirty feet away other employees were having a picnic lunch and watched the guy trying the lock.

I watched them for a minute before I went out and told the thief that I had already called the cops. I just wanted to see if they would ever do anything. He actually tried the lock a few more times while I was standing there before leaving. He just walked away slowly.
Aw, you should've let the cops come.
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