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View Poll Results: Should a Bicycing licenses be created for all ages, and a test administered.
Yes 9 16.67%
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Old 07-14-02, 10:04 AM   #1
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Driver Licenses for Bicylcists

Well, Motorcyclist must have a cycle endorsement on their license, so why not bicyclists, all ages, having to pass a written test for a test of knowledge of the rules {Real young kids could be an oral test**. This would increase the accountability method for cycling offenses, and maybe also give cyclists more of a voice in road usage.

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Old 07-14-02, 10:20 AM   #2
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Dirver licence for bicycles might be a little overkill. But they should start early in school teaching kids about traffic rules and the meaning of each roadsign.

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Old 07-14-02, 10:26 AM   #3
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Old 07-14-02, 10:47 AM   #4
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Well In certain places you must have a licence plate on your bike...
But I dont agree with it...
You can be charged under the Highway Traffic Act for violations here in Ontario.
But you don't have to carry ID. And its illegal to lie to the cops... well about your name, you can lie about your weight... or your bike's weight....
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Old 07-14-02, 11:31 AM   #6
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I voted 'Yes'. I feel it would affirm the rights and responsibilities of cyclists in the eyes of law enforcement and the public. Perhaps it might, even if indirectly, smooth the way in the matter of 'equal access' -- more bike lanes, public parking/storage.

It wouldn't trouble me to see two-wheeled scoff-laws taken to task for their indifferent safety and discourtesy either.

Licensing fees? Fine. I'd pay them if I was assured the rights and privileges that motorists enjoy, and knew that my place as an operator of a vehicle in traffic was legitimized by the specific letter of the law.

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No. At an early age we should instruct the kids on the rules of the road, and proper etiquitte. Perhaps some adults could use a refresher as well.
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Old 07-14-02, 12:18 PM   #8
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Great idea! let's discourage more people from cycling.
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Old 07-14-02, 01:24 PM   #9
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I voted for licenses because:
1) It would give an actual count of the number of us.
2) It acknowledges our right to the highway while we acknowledge our duty to abide by the rules of the highway.
3) It would mean that the police would have to be more aware of the bike rules of the road.
4) It would put us on an equal footing with motorists in terms of user fees, strengthening our claim on the road.

I am fully aware that this would be just as successful in producing safe cyclists as it is in producing safe motorists. I am willing to give up the freedom of non-registration for recognition of legal status.
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Old 07-14-02, 01:24 PM   #10
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NO. In fact, auto driver’s license tests should possess much more bicycling questions. Such as does a bicyclist possess the same rights to the road as an auto on most roads? Is it a crime to threaten a bicyclist with you automobile? ETC ETC.

Licenses for bicycling?...no. This would be just another way for the states to collect more money from us.
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Old 07-14-02, 02:42 PM   #11
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I can only see two reasons a license would be helpful for bicyclists:

1) It would require cyclists to be trained, possibly saving their lives;
2) It would establish cyclists' legal claim to ride on the street.

However, I favor achieving the above two goals without the red tape of licensing.
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Old 07-14-02, 04:07 PM   #12
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I vote 'yes' on the condition that it becomes part of the school curriculum - so at about 10-12 you pass your bike test with all the others in your class

I would also like to see a fine/punishment levied on all parents who drive kids to school who have passed their test.
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I vote 'yes' on the condition that it becomes part of the school curriculum - so at about 10-12 you pass your bike test with all the others in your class

I would also like to see a fine/punishment levied on all parents who drive kids to school who have passed their test.
Would never work in the US, the crybabies at the ACLU would find something wrong with it.
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the goverment telling me and my kids how to ride.........................I DONT THINK SO
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I'm against giving the government the right to regulate EVERY aspect of people's lives.

Anyway, I believe the constitution guarantees people freedom to travel (which is why bikes have the right to use the road.) If the government refuses to give someone a drivers license, then refuses to give them a bike license...what options do they have any more? Walk everywhere? Get a horse? Rollerblade? And if the government starts issuing rollerblade, horse, and walking licenses........????
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A driver's license is a privilege in this country. The government should have and does take the licenses away from people. Its called responsibility. Now if they could just figure out a way to get those over 75 off the street it would be even better
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Old 07-14-02, 09:23 PM   #17
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I voted for licenses because:
1) It would give an actual count of the number of us.
Not really. Last I heard around 20% of call drivers on the road were unlicenced. I see a similar thing happening here, possibly on a greater scale.

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2) It acknowledges our right to the highway while we acknowledge our duty to abide by the rules of the highway.

I already do acknowledge the rules of the highway, and many other cyclists do. However, given the number of drivers who fail to do so, I don't believe licencing on the same basis would make any difference to the behaviour of cyclists.

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3) It would mean that the police would have to be more aware of the bike rules of the road.

As far as my interactions with the police go, they already are. It isn't the police's lack of knowledge here that poses any kind of threat to cyclists.

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4) It would put us on an equal footing with motorists in terms of user fees, strengthening our claim on the road.

What? You mean we'd get heavily subsidised (like $3,000 each)? Do tell how a licence would have that outcome. The fact that I actually pay taxes strengthens my claim for a place on the road as much as I need to.

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I am fully aware that this would be just as successful in producing safe cyclists as it is in producing safe motorists.
Yeah, not at all.

Look, it's very simple. A car needs to be licenced because of the effects it's misuse can have on others. A the misuse of a bike is highly unlikely to impact on others on anything like that scale, hence there is no licence necessary.
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I think it is a great idea. Of course you can't stop at just one type of license -

Tandem - The captain would have to have a class "A" license, and the stoker would have to at least have a learners permit.

21-24-27-30 - Each time Shimano or Campy decides to squeeze in another cog we'd have to prove that we actualy know how to shift, the whole idea of a license is to prove we know how to
ride, we better know how to use our new equipment.

Those bike big Shwinn trikes - commercial license, hey, you could be making 30to40K in as little as 6 weeks.

Unicycles - anyone who rides one of those is just a freak, they should be arrested and the unicycle impounded. (just a joke I ride one)

Next we could license those little crappy scooters and rollerblades and skateboads and sport
shoes - anything that can be operated on the street.

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Effective Cycling should be taught to all elementary school children and it should be taught again at the high school level. But liscensing? NEVER.
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Would not a license stop young children from riding? Isn´t that what we want least of all, to dicourage the young ones from riding a bike? Parents saying NO, you cant ride your to young for a license.

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I voted no because I think it would do no good, and adds to the red-tape that we all must deal with in our daily lives.

However; I remember when I was a kid (30 years ago), that we were encouraged to "license" our bicycles. We would take the bicycle to the local police station and pay a small fee. The police department would give you a sticker to place on the bike. The sticker has a registration number that could be used to return the bike to you if it were lost or stolen. I think this practice went the way of fire alarm boxes at the end of the block, soda fountains and 10-speeds.
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I remember when I was a kid (30 years ago), that we were encouraged to "license" our bicycles. We would take the bicycle to the local police station and pay a small fee. The police department would give you a sticker to place on the bike. The sticker has a registration number that could be used to return the bike to you if it were lost or stolen. I think this practice went the way of fire alarm boxes at the end of the block, soda fountains and 10-speeds.
No, they still do this. My bike is licensed with the Seymour police department (License # 16 ) Something like $3 for two years--well worth it, in my opinion, if it means the police have your serial number already on record in case of theft.
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This is a thought provoking question. At least for me it was. My first notion was that perhaps it would somehow ad "legitimacy" to our claim to the road and strengthen our ability to claim resources from the state for bike lanes, law enforcement, etc. I thought perhaps we might get bicycling questions added to driving tests, much like school busses have.

Then, several questions worked their way into my thinking which made me uncomfortable.

If we extend licensing to bicyclists, why not then scooter riders, in-line skaters, pedestrians, joggers and the like?

How quickly would the state move from licensing to things like bicycle registration, taxes, inspections, etc.?

With all that licensing data available, how soon would there be such a thing as mandatory bicycle insurance?

I generally shy away from government involvement, especially when it involves taking my money.

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No, We have way too much government intervention
already.
However, a voluntary certification might not be a
bad thing. Would give some legitimacy to our claiming
our rights to the road if we can prove we know
rules of road etc.

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